What Does the Future Hold?

Part Two of The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel

 

Now that the United States of America and Britain have been identified, what does the future hold?  The Bible prophecies examined up to now are useful for knowing where the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel can be found but most of them have come to past.  A study of the prophecies that have yet to come to pass can be better understood now that the US and British people can be identified.  Bible prophecy is primarily concerned with the fate of Israel.  The entire Bible is written from the viewpoint of Israel.  Other countries are mentioned insomuch as they affect Israel.  For example, for most of Israel’s history, they had little interaction with Asian societies.  It isn’t until an end-time prophecy in the book of Revelation that the reader introduced to a prophecy concerning an Asian army.  This is because until this time, Asian politics and Asian armies haven’t had significant interaction with Israel.  Just before the return of Christ, the reality of global politics and the worldwide focus the Middle East will play in the end-time causes even the Asians to be involved.

 

How to Interpret Bible Prophecy

 

Several key concepts must be understood before Bible Prophecy is logical. 

 

·        Prophetic Symbolism:  The Bible interprets itself.

·        Time is compressed:  A lot of time can be covered in just a few scriptures.

·        Has the prophecy been fulfilled yet?  A lot of confusion results from attributing future events to prophecies that have already been fulfilled and vice versa.

·        All prophecy concerns Israel in one way or another.  (Other nations are mentioned either because their futures impact Israel or they will face judgment because of how they have dealt with Israel.)

·        Both the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation compliment each other.

·        Both the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation have timelines that cover history before Christ and end with events that will not be fulfilled for at least another 1,000 years.

·        Prophecy can be dual: Sometimes a partial fulfillment is later followed by a complete fulfillment.

·        Some prophecies are conditional and others are unconditional.

·        Prophecies fall into 8 main categories. 

1.     Fulfilled prophecies concerning Noah and the time of the flood.

2.     Fulfilled prophecies concerning Israel and Egypt and the promised land after leaving Egypt.

3.     Specific prophecies and their fulfillment as God dealt with Israel prior to King David.

4.     Fulfilled prophecies concerning the Northern Kingdom of Israel and their punishment by the armies of Assyria and their subsequent captivity.

5.     Fulfilled prophecies concerning Judah and their punishment for 70 years by Babylon.

6.     Prophecies concerning the Messiah that Jesus Christ fulfilled.

7.     Unfulfilled prophecies dealing with the events preceding the return of Christ.

8.     Unfulfilled prophecies dealing with the 1,000 year reign of Christ and the events at its close.

9.     Unfulfilled prophecies concerning the Day of Judgment and the New Heaven and New Earth that follows.

 

The rest of this book will deal primarily with events preceding the return of Christ and those that are to be fulfilled by Christ as he sets up His kingdom on Earth. In both cases the United States and Britain figure prominently.

 

The Bible Interprets Itself

 

Some of the key prophecies that have yet to be fulfilled are written in symbolic language.  The principle that will be followed is that the Bible interprets itself.  The following example may help illustrate the principle.  In Revelation 12, a symbol is presented of a pregnant woman about to give birth.  There has been a lot of speculation as to the identity of this woman. 

 

Revelation 12

1   And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2   And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.  KJV

 

By following the principle that the Bible interprets itself, the woman’s identity can be determined accurately.  In Genesis the same symbolism is used.  Genesis 37 recounts the time when Joseph was telling his family about some dreams he had.  Both were prophetic dreams of a time when Joseph would be responsible for saving the lives of his father, mother and eleven brothers and that he would be in a position of authority and they would have to bow down to him.  The symbolism of the second prophetic dreams allows the reader to understand the symbolism of Revelation 12.

 

Genesis 37:9   And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

10   And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?  KJV

 

Isaac and his twelve sons are the progenitors of the nation of Israel.  In this prophetic dream they are represented as the Sun (Isaac), the moon (Joseph’s mother Rachel) and eleven stars (Joseph’s brothers).  By allowing the Bible to interpret its own symbolism it can be understood that the woman in Revelation 12 symbolizes the nation Israel giving birth to the Messiah.  This same principle of allowing the Bible to interpret the Bible will be followed when key prophecies concerning the fate of the United States and Britain are examined in the following chapters.

 

 


Summary

·        The Bible interprets itself

·        The book of Daniel and the book of Revelation compliment each other

·        It is important to determine if a prophecy has been fulfilled yet

 

 

 


Bible Prophecy in Overview

 

Several prophecies in Daniel are important because they describe the political landscape as it applies to Israel from the time of Daniel all the way up to the return of Christ and the establishment of his Kingdom.   The first important prophecy recorded in Daniel wasn’t revealed to Daniel, it was revealed to King Nebuchadnezzar in a dream.  It was Daniel’s ability, as given to him by God; of interpreting the King’s dream that established Daniel’s credibility and caused him to wield power and influence in the King’s court.  King Nebuchadnezzar had a dream that troubled him. He asked his soothsayers and astrologers to tell him what his dream was and its interpretation.  None of his advisors could tell him what his dream was, let alone its interpretation.  In a rage the King commanded that all of the wise men in Babylon be killed.  Even though Daniel and his friends were not involved, they were to be killed along with the rest of the wise men.  Daniel asked and received enough time to provide the King with the answers he sought.  After praying to God to have the dream and its interpretation made known to him he went to the King.  After giving God the credit, Daniel made known the dream and its meaning to the King.

 

Daniel 2: 31 "You, O king, were watching; and behold, a great image! This great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you; and its form was awesome. 32 This image's head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. 34 You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth. 36 "This is the dream. Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king. 37 You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory; 38 and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all--you are this head of gold. 39 But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others. 41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. 44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. 45 Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold--the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure."  KJV

Historians and Bible scholars agree that the dream of King Nebuchadnezzar describes four empires.  The first empire was the Babylonian empire that King Nebuchadnezzar ruled.  Babylon was later conquered by the Medo-Persion kingdom.  The Jews were allowed to return to Judah but were still a subject people ruled by the Medes and the Persians.  The Medo-Persian Empire was defeated and over thrown by the brilliant general from Greece, Alexander the Great.  The Grecian Empire was later swallowed up by the Roman Empire. The stone that destroyed the metal image and became a mountain that filled the entire Earth is the prophesied Kingdom of Christ that will be established at his return.  The fact that the stone smashed the ten toes of iron and clay indicate that and end time revival of the Roman Empire will be in place at the return of Christ and that Christ and his armies will destroy it.  The symbolism of the ten toes and their importance as it relates to the United States and Britain will be revisited later in this book.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Summary

·        King Nebuchadnezzar’s dream of a great statue was a prophetic symbolism of four world ruling empire’s that would affect Israel from the time of Daniel until the return of Christ

·        The first world ruling empire was the Babylonian Empire

·        The second world ruling empire was the Medo-Persian Empire

·        The third world ruling empire was the Grecian Empire established by Alexander the Great.

·        The Grecian Empire was divided into four kingdoms, each ruled by one of Alexander’s generals

·        The last ruling empire was the Roman Empire

·        A revival of the Roman Empire must be existence at the return of Christ because at his return he destroys it

 


Beast Symbolism in Bible Prophecy

 

Later Daniel has a vision that is even more important in providing key clues to understanding end time prophecy.  This vision and its relevance to the book of Revelation will be examined in detail.  The vision is recounted in Daniel 7.

 

Daniel 7

1   In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

2   Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

3   And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

4   The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

5   And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

6   After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7   After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8   I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9   I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10   A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11   I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12   As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

13   I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14   And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. KJV

 

Bible scholars generally agree that these four beasts are symbolically equivalent to the four empires described in King Nebuchadnezzar’s dream.  The symbols introduced by this prophecy will be critical to understanding the symbols introduced in John’s Vision as recorded in the book of Revelation.   This prophecy also lays out the empires that will rule the world from the time of Daniel to the return of Christ.  There are five symbols used that will be useful in understanding end-time Bible prophecies.  The first symbol is the sea.  The sea represents people.  Revelation 17:15   And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, … are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.  The second symbol is that of a beast.  In Bible prophecy a beast always represents a government or empire.  The third symbol is a horn.  This special symbol represents a king or ruler as explained by Daniel 7:24.  24   And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.  The symbol of a head will be very useful when beast imagery in the book of Revelation is examined. Its meaning will be made plain in a moment with the historical fulfillment of the four heads of the leopard. The other symbol is iron.  Iron in Bible prophecy always refers to the Roman Empire in one way or another.  This important symbol will also be examined in detail later.

 

The four beasts and the importance of their symbolism are evident when the benefit of historical hindsight is added to the Biblical record.  The first beast was a lion with eagles wings.  Other scriptures help clarify the meaning of the symbolism.  The prophet Jeremiah warned Judah of a coming conqueror using the following language.

 

Jeremiah 4

5   Declare ye in Judah, and publish in Jerusalem; and say, Blow ye the trumpet in the land: cry, gather together, and say, Assemble yourselves, and let us go into the defenced cities.

6   Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

7   The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.

 

Another clue that the lion and it wings like an eagle represents Babylon is found in Lamentations, which was written after Judah was conquered by Babylon.

 

Lamentations 4

19   Our persecutors are swifter than the eagles of the heaven: they pursued us upon the mountains, they laid wait for us in the wilderness.

 

Historical references tell us that Babylon had many statues of winged lions guarding the gates to the royal palace. There were also lions along the walls of the Ishtar Gate. Babylon also stamped a winged lion on the back of its silver shekel coin.

 

This bear represents the Medo-Persian Empire which, at end beginning was led by Darius and Cyrus (Dan. 5:30-36). The significance one side of the bear being higher than the other refers to the fact that Cyrus was the greater of the two leaders. Cyrus was a Persian and Darius was a Mede. Darius died after the first year leaving Cyrus as the Empire’s only ruler. The two men had jointly formed a new empire, but history primarily refers to it as the Persian Empire. The three ribs are three kingdoms which the Medo-Persian Empire defeated: the Lydian Kingdom (546 B.C.), Chaldean Empire (539 B.C.) and the Egyptian Empire (525 B.C.). 

 

The leopard beast with its four heads refers to Alexander the Great and the Empire he created.  History records that Alexander conquered Europe, parts of Asia and Africa with blazing speed.  This is represented by the four wings.  Shortly after conquering the majority of the known world, Alexander the Great died.  His empire was split among his four generals: Lysimachus, Cassander, Seleucius Nicanor, and Ptolemy. Lysimachus ruled Thrace and Bithyna. Cassander ruled Macedonia, and Seleucius Nicanor had Syria, Babylon, and India. Ptolemy ruled Egypt, Petra and Palestine. These generals are the four heads of the leopard to whom dominion was given. 

 

The last great and dreadful beast with its iron teeth is the same empire the legs of iron represented, the Roman Empire.  History has shown just how accurate the vision was.  The ten horns on the exceedingly dreadful beast represent ten kings that ruled ten divisions of the Roman Empire. When the Roman Empire collapsed, ten divisions resulted. Barbarian tribes hammered at the Roman empire for many years until it fell apart and the ten divisions were ruled by ten kings! They are:

 

1.     Alemani (Germany)

2.     Franks (France)

3.     Burgundians (Switzerland)

4.     Suevi (Portugal)

5.     Anglo-Saxons (Britian)

6.     Visigoths (Spain)

7.     Lombards (Italy)

8.     Vandals (uprooted)

9.     Ostrogoths (uprooted)

10. Heruli (uprooted)

 

The last three (the Vandals, Ostrogoths, and the Heruli) were destroyed (uprooted) by the Pope of Rome because they refused to become "Christians".  The armies of Emperor Justinian, in cooperation with the Pope, thrust the Ostrogoths out of the city of Rome. The Pope fulfilled the part of the vision where Daniel recorded that, this horn [had] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

 

More Beast Symbolism

 

In Daniel 8 a vision is recorded that helps the student of Bible prophecy understand the meaning behind the symbolism of a horn.

 

Daniel 8

1   In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.

2   And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.

3   Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

4   I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

5   And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

6   And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

7   And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.

8   Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

9   And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10   And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11   Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12   And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13   Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14   And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

The ram with two horns is the Medo-Persian Empire.   The two horns represented the two rulers.  One was greater than the other.  This symbolism is consistent with the Bear raised up on one side as recorded in Daniel 7.  The he goat represents Alexander the Great.  The breaking of his horns into four horns represents the division of the empire into four territories, each ruled by one of Alexander’s generals.  The little horn that waxed great, even to the host of heaven, was fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes.  Most Bible scholars consider Epiphanes to be a forerunner of the prophesied end-time Anti-Christ.

 

The career of Antiochus Epiphanes (175-163 B.C.) is prophetically outlined in 9-14.  In 167 B.C. he conquered Palestine, defiled the sanctuary and dedicated it to Zeus Olympus.  164 B.C. the temple was purified.  This is the period of the “2300 evenings and mornings,” [1]

 

Antiochus Epiphanes was a Syrian King that came to power about 175 B.C. He was one of the Seleucids who in succession to Alexander the Great built a realm in Syria and adjacent lands. Epiphanes' name means God made manifest.  In 170 B.C. he decreed a law requiring all citizens to present themselves four times a year to pay formal homage to Antiochus Epiphanes as the senior god of the Seleucids. The day chosen for these periodic submissions was the Sabbath. The Maccebean revolt gained the Jews their independence in 164 B.C.

 

The symbolism of a beast with two horns will be revisited when the end-time prophecies of the book of Revelation are examined.  Because the Biblical interpretation of the symbolism of two horns and how they apply to the United States and Britain in prophecy does not fit with commonly held views, the conclusion may shock the reader!

 

Summary

·        Daniel 7 and 8 used specific symbolism based on beasts to further clarify the outline of prophecy from Daniels time down to the return of Christ.

·        A beast represents a world ruling power

·        A horn represents a ruler or king

·        The sea or waters represents people

·        The head of a beast also can represent the ruler of a world dominating empire

·        More than one horn represents more than one ruler

·        History has proven the accuracy of Daniel’s prophecies

 


End-Time Prophecies

 

Some people associate the term end-time with the end of the world.  It isn’t the end of the world it is an end of an age. 

 

1 Corinthians 2

6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. NIV

 

Satan is the god of this world.  Paul wrote about Satan to the Corinthians.

 

2 Corinthians 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. KJV

 

The return of Christ will usher in a new age and end Satan’s rule over this world.  The events preceding that return are known as the great tribulation.  All end-time prophecies should be studied with the understanding that Christ return means Satan rule is over.  The Bible even states that Satan knows that his time is short and that is why the events at the end of this age are prophesied to be tumultuous.

 

Revelation 12:12

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. KJV

 

To use modern language concerning the events leading up to the return of Christ; it gets worse before it gets better.  Christ’s disciples came to him and asked him to help them know when the end of the present age was near its end.  His answer is recorded in Matthew 24.

 

Matthew 24

Signs of the End of the Age

 

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

4 Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand—16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 "Immediately after the distress of those days

   " 'the sun will be darkened,

       and the moon will not give its light;

   the stars will fall from the sky,

       and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

 

The Day and Hour Unknown

 

36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.  NIV

 

Christ introduces several important concepts in his prophecy about the events preceding the end of the age and his return.  One of the most important was his statement that it was going to be impossible to predict when his return will be.  It will catch everybody by surprise.  The second important piece of information was that, regardless of how bad it gets those who hold fast will be saved.  This promise of God protecting his people and helping them get through the difficult times is a recurrent theme throughout all of the prophecies about the end-time.  Another important detail was Christ stating that when he does return there will be no doubt it is him.  The most important indicator was his prediction that just as there would be a desolation of abomination as recorded in the book of Daniel.  This will be covered in greater detail later when the end-time prophecies in Daniel are compared to the end-time prophecies in the book of Revelation. 

 

Summary

·        The end-time refers to the end of an age

·        End-time prophecies depict Satan’s rule being abolished and Christ’s rule being established at his return

·        The end-time will be marked by false prophets and false messiahs

·        There will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world

·        If the end-time is not cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened

·        No one can predict when Christ will return

·        When Christ return it will be obvious and all nations will witness his return on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory

·        God will protect his people throughout all of the end-time troubles

·        At Christ’s return he will gather the elect


A Quick Overview of the Book of Revelation

 

The book of Revelation is also referred to as the “The Apocalypse.”  This word is commonly thought to mean global destruction or worldwide calamity.  Its actual meaning from the Greek is disclosure, unveiling or revelation.  The following chart breaks down the book and the messages it contains.

 


The book of Revelation is primarily concerned with the final events in the history of the present age and the 1,000 plus years that follows.  It begins with messages to the churches extant during the time of John the Apostle.  Many consider the messages appropriate for Christians of all ages.  After the message to the churches, it changes to symbolic language that covers the time of trouble the world goes through before the return of Christ.  A couple of chapters give the reader a broad view of history as it applies to the church and the people of history.  It ends with the return of Christ, the banishment of Satan for 1,000 years and the accompanying resurrection of the saints who reign as kings and priest with Christ.  After the 1,000 years is up, Satan is released for a little while and is allowed to deceive the nations again.  Once more, the deception leads to a world wide war leading to the destruction of all of the wicked.  The final conclusion describes the second resurrection of all who ever lived.  Those found worthy join God and Christ in the utopian world of the new earth where death and sorrow are completely eliminated.  The evil are condemned to the lake of fire.


The Beast of Revelation

 

Revelation 13 uses symbolic language reminiscent of the symbolism in Daniel 7 and 8 to describe a great end-time world ruling empire and how Satan uses it to deceive the nations into waging a terrible war. 

 

Revelation 13

1   And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2   And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3   And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4   And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5   And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6   And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7   And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. KJV

 

Verses 1 – 7 describe a beast rising from the sea.  The sea represents people or an area that is populated allowing a strong and powerful government power to emerge.  This beast is consistent with the two legs of iron mentioned in Daniel 2 and the beast with iron teeth in Daniel 7.  When John was revealed this vision the Roman Empire was near its zenith of power and influence.  The advantage the modern student of Bible prophecy has is that the historical record can be compared to this almost nearly 2,000 year old prophecy and determine if it was accurate.  A breakdown of the verses reveals the following interpretations of the symbolism revealed.

 

The beast had qualities similar to the three empires that preceded it: the lion (Babylon), the bear (Medes and Persians) and the leopard (Greece).  The 10 horns are the same ten horns described in Daniel 7.  The new information is the seven heads.  In Daniel 7 the leopard beast had four heads. These represented the four generals that ruled after Alexander the Great died.  History shows that after the fall of the original Roman Empire, there have been six rulers who have claimed that they have reinstated the glory of the former Roman Empire. 

 

Historical Revivals of the Roman Empire

 

History records that the original Roman Empire ended in 410 A.D. when the Visigoths sacked Rome.  Actually this was only the end of the western portion of the empire.  The two legs of iron in King Nebuchadnezzar’s dream accurately foretold the empire splitting in two and having two capitals.  This part of the prophecy was fulfilled in 330 A.D. after Constantine the Great, the first Christian emperor, established Constantinople as the empire’s eastern capital.  Some historians refer to this as the Byzantine Empire, because Constantinople was originally called Byzantium.  Revelation 13 is concerned with the part of the Roman Empire that was ruled by Rome.  This will be obvious to the reader when the prophecies of Revelation 17 are discussed.  The head that was wounded to death, and miraculously healed, represents the first of several revivals of the Roman Empire.  History records that in AD 554 Emperor Justinian, ruling the eastern half of the empire from Constantinople, restored the Empire in the west and recognized the supremacy of the Pope. Justinian fulfills Revelation 13:3   And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

Justinian represents the first revival of the Roman Empire.  There have been six revivals so far.  The last revival of the Roman Empire will be just before the return of Christ.  The following chart shows the historical fulfillment of the seven heads of the beast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Charlemagne, king of the Franks (800); Otto the Great (962); Charles V of the Hapsburg dynasty (1520) and Napoleon (1805) were all crowned emperors of Rome by a Pope.  Historically they represent heads two through five. Between 1870 and 1945, Garibaldi and Mussolini, dictators of Italy, received authority from the pope to re-establish the Roman Empire. Later, Adolph Hitler joined with Mussolini and with combined military might of the Italian and German people tried to establish a Reich that would last for one thousand years.  This is the sixth of seven revivals of the Roman Empire prophesied in John’s vision.  Another important detail that all seven revivals have in common is the role a powerful Church has played or will play.  This is symbolized by a woman sitting on a beast in Revelation 17.

 

Revelation 17

1   And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2   With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3   So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4   And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5   And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

6   And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7   And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8   The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9   And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10   And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11   And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12   And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13   These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14   These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15   And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16   And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17   For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18   And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

 

The woman is called a whore.  Some translations translate it as prostitute.  In this case, prostitution or whoredom is not a symbolism of sexuality.  In Bible symbolism, prostitution represents alliances with political powers instead of relying of God.  In Ezekiel God called the nation of Israel a harlot because she depended on political allies instead of God for protection from her enemies.  God’s relationship with the people of Israel was as a husband with a wife. 

 

Jeremiah 3:20

Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.

 

Instead of relying on God, Israel depended up on political alliances for her security.  These political alliances were like prostitution and adultery in God’s eyes.

 

Ezekiel 16

26   Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.

27   Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.

28   Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.

29   Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied therewith.

30   How weak is thine heart, saith the LORD GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;

31   In that thou buildest thine eminent place in the head of every way, and makest thine high place in every street; and hast not been as an harlot, in that thou scornest hire;

32   But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!

 

This same symbolism is applied to the church and state environment that dominated the dark ages.  History records that for centuries Rome wielded power as a church-state government.  It is this political relationship that the Bible describes as being similar to a woman selling herself to lovers.  Instead of the church focusing on its relationship with God, it focused on the affairs of state.  This is the same path Israel walked most of her history.


1260 Years Prophesied

 

Seven times the Bible predicted a 1260-year period of papal supremacy and of the persecution of the woman [people of God].  History proved those predictions to be correct.

 

Revelation 12

The Woman and the Dragon

 

1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. 4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days. NIV

 

Going back to the late 5th century, the rise of the bishop of Rome to supremacy in Western Europe hinged upon the elimination of the Arian kingdoms which controlled Rome. In A.D. 476 the last of the western Roman emperors had been deposed. But the rule of Italy had at that time passed into the hands of an Arian king, Odoacer, to whom the activities of the Catholic bishop were subjected. In 493 Odoacer was overthrown. But his conqueror, Theodoric the Ostrogoth, was also an Arian. Catholic supremacy could never be realized while the Ostrogothic kingdom dominated Rome.

 

There was also one other major Arian kingdom to be dealt with. The Vandals had established themselves in Carthage and now controlled the Mediterranean. Their presence prevented Catholic supremacy.

 

In the year 533, the eastern emperor, Justinian, for the purpose of settling the religious question, issued a document recognizing the Catholic bishop in Rome as "head of all the Holy Churches." In the following year, he sent an army under the command of Belisarius, which quickly destroyed the Vandal kingdom. Belisarius then turned toward Rome and began the process of driving out the Ostrogoths.

 

Driven from their place, the Ostrogoths, under Witiges, set a seige upon the city in 537, which they maintained an entire year. When a second armed force arrived against them in 538, they could hold out no longer, and in March of that year they retreated. Although two years later they attempted to regain control of Rome, they were unsuccessful. With their withdrawal from the city in 538, their power in Rome had ended. (For documentation on these events see Thomas Hodgkin, Italy and Her Invaders, vol. 4, pp. 73-113, 210-252; and Charles Diehl, "Justinian," in Cambridge Medieval History, vol. 2, p. 15.)

 

The year 538, therefore, marks the first time since the end of the western imperial line that Rome was freed of Arian kings and the Catholic bishop held undisputed authority in the West. That year, therefore, represents the beginning of the 1260 years of papal supremacy.

 

"With the conquest of Rome by Belisarius, the history of the ancient city may be considered as terminating; and with his defence against Witiges commences the history of the middle ages." George Finlay, Greece Under the Romans (Edinburgh and London: William Blackwood and Sons, 1844), p. 295.

 

If the 1260 years began in 538, they must end in 1798. What happened in that year?

 

In February of 1798 the French general Berthier entered Rome, proclaimed a republic, and took the pope prisoner. The pope died in France shortly thereafter. Although a new pope was elected, the papacy had lost its power. Its glory days were over; its supremacy had come to an end.

 

"Berthier advanced to the city by forced marches; summoned the castle of St. Angelo, allowing only four hours for its evacuation by the papal troops; the convicts were set at liberty; the gates of the city secured by the French; the pope, all the cardinals except three, and the whole people of Rome, made prisoners at discretion. . . . Shortly afterwards, Berthier made his triumphal entry into Rome; and a tree of liberty being planted on the capitol, . . . a proclamation was issued, declaring . . . a free and independent republic, under the special protection of the French army. A provisional government was acknowledged, as established by the sovereign people; and every other temporal authority emanating from the pope was suppressed, nor was he any longer to excercise any function." John Adolphus, The History of France, Vol. 2 (London: George Kearsley, 1803), pp. 364, 365.

 

"The object of the French directory was the destruction of the pontifical government, as the irreconcilable enemy of the republic. . . . The aged pope [Pius VI] was summoned to surrender the temporal government; on his refusal, he was dragged from the altar. . . . His rings were torn from his fingers, and finally, after declaring the temporal power abolished, the victors carried the pope prisoner into Tuscany, whence he never returned." George Trevor, Rome: Fromn the Fall of the Western Empire (London: The Religious Tract Society, 1868), pp. 439, 440.

 

"When, in 1797, Pope Pius VI fell grievously ill, Napoleon gave orders that in the event of his death no successor should be elected to his office, and that the Papacy should be discontinued. But the Pope recovered; the peace was soon broken; Berthier entered Rome on 10th February 1798, and proclaimed a Republic. The aged Pontiff refused to violate his oath by recognizing it, and was hurried from prison to prison into France. Broken with fatigue and sorrows, he died . . . [in] August 1799, in the French fortress of Valence, aged 82 years. No wonder that half Europe thought Napoleon's veto would be obeyed, and that with the Pope the Papacy was dead." Joseph Rickaby, "The Modern Papacy," in Lectures on the History of Religions, Vol. 3, [lecture 24, p. 1] (London: Catholic Truth Society, 1910).

 

The 1260 years foretold in prophecy were therefore A.D. 538-1798.

 

The 7 texts referring to the 1260-year period are as follows:

      Daniel 7:25

      Daniel 12:7

      Revelation 11:2

      Revelation 11:3

      Revelation 12:6

      Revelation 12:14

      Revelation 13:5

 

How did the writings of the Reformers interpret these 1260 day/years?

 

The day/year principle is an old principle already recognized by the Jews, even before the time of Christ. The Jews also identified the four beasts of Daniel, as Babylon, Media Persia, Greece and Rome.

 

However it was Abbot Joachim, of Floris, who in 1190, applied the day/year principle to the 1260 days and thus started the growing conviction among the reformers that these 1260 day/years pertained to the papacy's reign.

 

Walter Brute, a fourteenth century Welsh, Lollard scholar, a follower of Wycliff and a graduate of Oxford wrote that the "woman" of Revelation 12, or true church, had fled to Britain where for 1260 years the true faith had been maintained. He adopted the year-day principle for all prophetic time periods. The 1260 years were the papal persecution, just as the 10 days-- or years (Rev. 2:10) referred to the Diocletian persecution. (See Dawn of Reformation Vol. 1 p. 279)

 

All the reformers attributed the 1260 day/years to the domination of the papacy. They had varying starting and ending dates and it wasn't until the eighteenth century that the dates were fixed at 538-1798.

 

Edward King, F.R.S., F.S.A. (1735-1807) was educated at Cambridge, wrote:

 

"Is not the Papal power, at Rome, which was once so terrible, and so domineering, at an end? But let us pause a little. Was not this End, in other parts of the Holy prophecies, foretold to be, at the End of 1260 years? And was it not foretold by Daniel, to be at the END of time, times, and half a time? which computation amounts to the same period. And now let us see: hear; --and understand. THIS IS THE YEAR 1798. And just 1260 years ago, in the very beginning of the year 538, Belisarius put an end to the Empire, and Dominion of the Goths in Rome. He had entered the City on the 10th of the preceding December, in triumph, in the name of Justinian, Emperor of the East; and had soon after made it tributary to him: leaving thenceforward from A.D,. 538, NO POWER in Rome, that could be said to rule over the earth, excepting the ECCLESIASTICAL PONTIFICAL POWER." (page 768 "Remarks on the Signs of the Times" in 1978)

 

David Simpson (1745-1799) theologian and religious writer, educated at St. Johns College, Cambridge, a Methodist, wrote:

 

"Is it not extremely remarkable, and a powerful confirmation of the truth of Scripture prophecy, that just 1260 years ago from the present 1798, in the very beginning of the year 538, Belisarius put an end to the empire of the Goths at Rome, leaving no power therein but the Bishop of that Metropolis? Read these things in the prophetic Scriptures; … and then, I say again, deny the truth of Divine Revelation, if you can. Open your eyes, and behold these things accomplishing in the face of the whole world. This thing is not done in a corner." (Page 166 "A Plea for Religion and the Sacred Writings).

 

 

This covers the historical portion of the Beast power and the control the Papal office had over the kings of Europe.  What lies ahead involves the United States and Britain and the Bible prophecies make some amazing predictions.

 

Summary:

·        The book of revelation is referred to as “The Apocalypse,” which is Greek for disclosure, unveiling or revelation.

·        The book of Revelation deals with prophetic events that were in the future from the viewpoint of the Apostle John late in the first century A.D.

·        The book covers a broad view of history as it applies to the church and the political history of the Roman Empire and the church-state relationship with the Papacy.

·        Significant portions of the book deal with events that will occur just before the return of Christ.

·        The final chapters deal with the 1,000 year reign of Christ and the Day of Judgment that follows.

·        The end of the book deals with the New heaven and New Earth and the fact that God will live among those found worthy to escape the lake of fire

 

 


The United States and Britain in End Time Prophecy

 

The first ten verses of Revelation, chapter 13, are concerned with the composite beast, symbolizing civil government as controlled a religious authority. That particular phase of the beast presented in this section symbolizes the civil governments of the Roman world, represented by the horns, as dominated by the Papacy. This phase of the beast ended when the papal head received its "deadly wound," in 1798, and its power to persecute those who didn’t espouse official doctrine came to an end.   One of the keys to understanding prophecy is the concept of duality.  Just as the head was killed and revived when Justinian retook Rome in 538 A.D., the Bible predicts that the head will be revived once again just before Christ returns.

      At this time-- when the papal power ended-- another power, symbolized by "another beast," was seen "coming up," having "two horns like a lamb, and speaking like a dragon." A few specifications given of this beast of Rev. 13:11-17 will serve to show what power it represents:

 

(1)  It is seen coming up just as the papal beast went into decline, namely, at the close of the eighteenth century.  The 2,520 year old punishment of Israel was coming to an end about the same time as the 1260-year period of papal supremacy ended.

(2)  It comes up out of the "earth," in comparison to the "sea," out of which rose the ten-horned beast. "Sea," or "waters," as a prophetic symbol represents, according to Rev. 17:15 and Isaiah. 8:7, nations and peoples. The ten-horned beast gained its place through strife and conquest, while the two-horned beast came up out of the earth, a place unoccupied by civilized nations, in a peaceful manner.

(3)  It is evidently a republican form of government, as the two horns are without crowns (while the ten horns are crowned), and verse 14 shows that the people have a part in its work.

(4)  It had two horns like a lamb. The lamb used as a symbol represents Jesus Christ.  See John 1:29 and Rev. 5:6.   This nation will be associated with Christianity.

(5)  The government represented by this beast would have characteristics, the very characteristics, represented by horns, which exalt it and give it power and prestige.

(6)  It speaks like a dragon. Since it isn’t described as being directed by the Dragon as the Beast power was in previous verses, this indicates it has Dragon like characteristics.  The primary characteristic associated with the Dragon is war.   

 

This power will have characteristics of both the lamb and the dragon.  It is an important distinction in Biblical language when comparisons are made.  This power is neither ruled by Christ or by Satan but has characteristics of both.  This government power will be strongly associated with Christianity, yet in the end-time will be associated with war and the formation of a world dominating governmental structure patterned after the Roman Empire.

 

What country fulfills this description? The United States of America fulfills all of these symbols.

 

·        When the persecuting power of the Papacy was taken away in 1798, there was but one great power of earth rising into prominence, and that was the United States. The Declaration of Independence was signed by the representatives of the colonial governments in 1776, the Constitution was adopted in 1789, and by 1804 the United States was well on its way to fulfilling both the prophecy of Revelation 13 and the ancient promises God made to Abraham about a country made up of his descendants that would be a great and powerful nation.

·        This government did not arise out of the conquest of Old World nations, but it came up out of unoccupied territory up to this time. George Alfred Townsend, in his "New World Compared with the Old," speaks of this country as "coming forth from vacancy," and says, "Like a silent seed we grew into empire." The Dublin (Ireland) Nation in 1850 spoke of this government as a wonderful empire, which was emerging, and "amid the silence of the earth daily adding to its power and pride." The testimony of the historian confirms the interpretation of the prophecy.

·        This country is certainly a republican form of government, while most of the divisions of the Roman Empire were monarchies.

·        It "had two horns like a lamb," representing two leaders of Christian nations.  Britain and the United States of America are considered Christian and are allies that work in tandem together in World Politics.

 

It may be recalled that the two-horned ram of Daniel 8 represented a dual power, Medo-Persia.  Of course that power had long disappeared in the Apostle John's day, and his vision was of events in the future.  Other dual powers have existed since John's day, but among these the historical association of Britain and the United States is particularly notable and of long duration. (Aid to Bible Understanding, Page 202, International Bible Students Association, 1971)

 

The symbolism is obvious.  In light of current world events, the Bible student can now begin to see the details of future events coming into focus.  Many scholars have speculated that the beast with two horns like a lamb represents the anti-Christ.  This isn’t to say that there isn’t going to be an end-time false messiah, but Revelation 13:11-18 is not describing the same thing as Daniel 9, 10 and 11.  Revelation 13 is describing how the final revival of the Roman Empire is going to happen.  Working together, the United States and Britain are going to pressure the world to establish a multi-national federation that is the super power that has the authority to regulate global trade and commerce.   One of the methods used to pressure the world to submit to this development is its ability to cause fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.  From the perspective of Apostle John almost 2,000 years ago, this is exactly what the United States and Britain was doing in the Spring of 2003 with its campaign of “Shock and Awe” in Iraq.  When this chapter was being written, the United States and Britain were bombing Baghdad with bombs and missiles with a power and accuracy never before seen.  Earlier in the spring of 2003 the United States released video of a test of the MOAB, nicknamed the Mother of All Bombs.  Its actual name is Massive Ordnance Air Blast.  It is a 20,000 lb bomb that is the most powerful non-nuclear explosive device ever made.  Video and pictures were made available to news agencies all over the world.  Is the MOAB fulfillment of bible prophecy?   Are there other Bible prophecies that point to the United States and Britain’s role in the formation of a world ruling government that has authority greater than the individual nations themselves? 

 

The Ten Toes of Daniel 2

 

The first prophecy in the Bible that outlined the scope and breadth of future history from the time of the Babylonian Empire to the return of Christ is recorded in Daniel 2.  The ten toes of the statue in King Nebuchadnezzar's dream.  Earlier it has been said that they represented a final end-time revival of the Roman Empire because Christ destroyed the empire at his return.  Also, it was shown that earlier there is still one more head, of the seven-headed beast of revelation that has yet to arise.  If the Bible is allowed to interpret the Bible, what does the symbolism of 10 toes of iron and clay mean?

 

The iron has already been shown to stand for the Roman Empire.  Since the clay is mingled in as part of it, which shows that the end-time revival will not be purely composed of the nations that formed the original Roman Empire, does the Bible give any indications as to what the end-time make up of the Beast Power will be?  Bible Scholars know what the iron in the ten toes symbolizes.  What does the Bible reveal is the meaning behind the symbolism of the clay in the toes?  In Isaiah 64:8 God says that Israel is the clay and the God is the Father.  God refers to Israel as clay in Isaiah 45:9.   God told Jeremiah that Israel was clay in his hands.

 

Jeremiah 18

5 Then the word of the LORD came to me: 6 "O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter does?" declares the LORD . "Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel.

 

The United States and Britain will be instrumental in causing the revived Roman Empire to exist just before the return of Christ.  They will help set up the structure of a World Ruling beast that is patterned after the Roman Empire of old.  The miraculous sign of fire from the heavens represents these two countries’ enormous military power to drop bombs from the sky.  The ten toes are mixture of the lost ten tribes of Israel and the original countries of the original Roman Empire and its revivals mixed together.  Is it possible that the rising threat of Global Terrorism is the political fuel for creating a world wide authority?

 

Summary:

·        Revelation 13 predicts the rise in power of the United States just as the power of the Papacy was ended.

·        Revelation 13 predicts the end-time role the United States and Britain will have in causing the Roman Empire to be revived once again.

·        In Daniel 2 God showed that the lost ten tribes of Israel will be intermingled among the countries that make up the final revival of the Roman Empire as clay mingled with iron.


The End-Time Dictator

 

Jesus predicted that the end-time would see an Evil world Wide Dictator called the abomination of Desolation spoken of in Daniel 11.  Before the Roman Empire, centuries before Christ, Antiochus fulfilled this the first time when he sacrificed a pig in the temple in Jerusalem.  Christ knew his Jewish History.  He also knew his prophecy.  He knew that the last verses of Daniel 11 have not been fulfilled yet.  Merrill Unger in his Bible Handbook said that:

 

UNGER'S COMMENTARY ON VERSE 36-45

The End Time and the Man of Sin, 36-45.

Between 35 and 36 spans an unreckoned period of time, from the historical fulfillment of these prophecies in Antiochus Epiphanes and the victorious Maccabees to the still future fulfillment of 36-45, fulfilling 10:14. The willful king of these Verses is the Antichrist of the last days, the man of sin of 2 Thess 2:3-4, the lawless one of Rev 13:1-10, adumbrated by Antiochus Epiphanes. "He shall prosper till the indignation is accomplished," 36 (12:1), i.e., God's wrath outpoured (Mt 24:21; Rev. 6-19). His lawless, God-defying character, 36-39, is unfolded. His latter-day activity preceding his doom is outlined, 40-45 (cf. Rev 19:20; 20:10), and described in 2 Thess 2:3-10. The last day attack by the kings of the north and of the south shall not destroy him. Only the direct judgment of God upon him by the returning victorious Christ shall seal his doom. While he reigns, he is invincible. Source: Unger's Bible Handbook, Moody Press: pp.393-394

 

Once the world ruling government is in place, Satan will bring the anti-Christ upon the world scene and the ancient head of church and state will be healed.  The United States and Britain will be caught up in the monster of their own making.

 

Revelation 13

The Beast out of the Earth

 

11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.  NIV

 

The Mark of the Beast

 

What is the mark of the beast?  Once again important information is presented in symbolic language.  The obvious literal fulfillment would be if people had the number 666 branded on their forehead or on their hands.  The Old and New Testament are filled with the symbolism of the meaning of the forehead and the hand.  In the Old Testament God revealed that keeping the 10 commandments meant they were sealed in the foreheads and hands of the people.  In Exodus 13:9 it is written, “This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and a reminder on your forehead that the law of the LORD is to be on your lips.”  In Deuteronomy 6:8 God said that keeping and teaching the 10 commandments is like tying them as symbols on your hands and binding them on your foreheads.

 

Deuteronomy 6

Love the LORD Your God

 

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. 5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

 

In the end-time God marks the foreheads of the saints who keep the commandments of God so that they can escape the perils the rest of the world has to endure.

 

Revelation 7

2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." NIV

 

Revelation 9

3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

 

If the seal of God on the forehead of the saints is because they obey God and keep his ten commandments, what would me a mark in the forehead of those following the Anti-Christ?  Would it be a sign of those forced to break one of the commandments of God?  Is breaking just one commandment the same as breaking all of the commandments of God?  According to the apostle James it is.  James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. Which one of the commandments is the coming Anti-Christ going to force the world to break, yet deceive them into not realizing what they are doing?  The Bible interprets the Bible very clearly in this instance.  One of the seven angels delivered the interpretation for the apostle John. 

 

Revelation 14

 

9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

 

Symbolism is made plain.  The commandment that the Anti-Christ will cause small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to break is Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Exodus 2:4.  The simple fact is that worshipping a false god in any manner is idolatry.  The mark of the beast will be mandatory idol worship.  Those who do not participate in idol worship will have their assets frozen and their ability to buy and sell with entities under the control of the anti-Christ.  In the original pagan Roman Empire, the emperors of the empire were worshiped as gods.  But there is good news for those who worship God the Father and his Christ.

 

Revelation 20:4

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;

 

Summary:

·        Jesus predicted an end-time false Christ which will deceive the entire world.

·        The Anti-Christ will heal the deadly wound and a church-state world empire will be revived once again.

·        All participants of the beast system will be required to worship an image of the Anti-Christ or their ability to buy and sell will be removed from them.

·        The Anti-Christ will not be destroyed in war.  His power will be so complete that only Christ is capable of overthrowing him.

·        Those who refuse to participate in idol worship will receive the mark of God in their forehead instead of the mark of the beast.

·        Those who do not receive the mark of the beast will live and reign with Christ one thousand years

 


The Time of Jacobs Trouble

 

The prophecy states that the end-time will be a time of trouble for the birthright nations.  It is called the time of Jacob’s trouble.   Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.  Jeremiah 30:7  What causes the British-Israel people of the US and British to force the world into a 10 nation federal system.  The Bible calls it terrorism.  Time of terror.

 

Isaiah 24

15 Therefore in the east give glory to the LORD ;
exalt the name of the LORD , the God of Israel,
in the islands of the sea.

17 Terror and pit and snare await you,
O people of the earth.
18 Whoever flees at the sound of terror
will fall into a pit;   NIV

 

Jeremiah 30
4 These are the words the LORD spoke concerning
Israel and Judah: 5 "This is what the LORD says: Cries of fear are heard - terror, not peace.

 

us Britain build federal super power similar to old roman empire to help xcreat e a coalistion against terror.

 

Revelation reveals three power blocks at war at the end just before Christ’s return.  Arab league, Asian 200 million man army and the Beast power battle in the middle east war.

 

 

 

Christ comes back and kicks everyone’s butt.

 

Jeremiah 30

10 " 'So do not fear, O Jacob my servant;
do not be dismayed, O Israel,'
declares the LORD .
'I will surely save you out of a distant place,
your descendants from the land of their exile.
Jacob will again have peace and security,
and no one will make him afraid.
11 I am with you and will save you,'
declares the LORD .
'Though I completely destroy all the nations
among which I scatter you,
I will not completely destroy you.
I will discipline you but only with justice;
I will not let you go entirely unpunished.'

The End Has Begun : Recorded Secret Session

First Session:



HH: I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family.

Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered.

I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creator to offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by the Law of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much I am able to say.

Rules define life in games.

If you wish to participate, here they are:

1). I will afford you courtesy and respect in the manner I address you, and I expect the same from you in reciprocation.

2). I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answer your question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannot disclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or more of the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it was otherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.

3). That you agree to treat this potential dialogue with an aspect of "provisional faith". In practice, this means that rather than impeding the flow of information with crass comments of disbelief or petty name calling, my participation here requires of you that you discourse with me under "suspended judgment". In other words, wait until the process is complete, before deciding for yourself as to the content of truth and knowledge imparted herein.

4). That you formulate your questions intelligently. My time is limited. I do not want to waste it by having to trawl through pointless, futile, insensible or disrespectful questions, therefore I will answer the questions I feel are most deserving of a response, during the time that I have available. Use the time we have wisely.

If any of the above conditions are breached, I reserve the right to terminate our discourse forthwith, if I so choose.

That being said, I will attempt to answer your questions as honestly and openly as is permissible for me. I will check back and respond as time allows.

ATS: How many generations back does your bloodline extend, or, perhaps more accurately, who does your family consider its earliest ancestor in a position of power?

HH: Our Lineage can be traced back beyond antiquity. From the earliest times of your recorded "history", and beyond, our Family has been 'directing' the 'play' from behind the scenes, in one way or another. Before the rise and fall of Atlantis. (Yes, that was indeed perfectly real). We are 'born to lead'. It is part of the design for this current paradigm.

ATS: To what extent has selective breeding been used to preserve the purity of the line? and what becomes of children of unapproved unions? (They would naturally still be raised with privilege, but not, perhaps "given the keys to the castle" as it were?)

HH: The breeding is generally case specific, dependant upon the role that the Family members in question are due to grow into. I will touch more on this in answer to the next poster's question that you rephrased.

There are no unapproved unions. Our Family will always intermarry between lines, or, what we would term 'Houses' [1]. Marriages are arranged. In all my years alive, I have never seen or heard of a Family member breaking this code, as far as marriage goes. You do as you are told. One cannot 'join' the Family. One is 'born', or incarnated into it.

On the rare instances of a child being born that could be seen as bringing 'difficulties', you are correct in your premise, that it would be raised as part of the Family, though would not grow up in the house or community of either of it's parents.

ATS: If one were to imagine a scale, perhaps as a triangle with Political, Religious and Corporate power at the three points, how would you categorize the power your family yields? (Balanced? Leaning more towards one or two than a third? Heavily favoring one of the three above the others?) And has that position shifted over time?

HH: You need to first understand the structure of the Family. In the grand scheme of things, the Line is not as important as the House, the House, is not as important as the Family. The Family is all. No matter the House or Line, we are One (truly international) Family.

Imagine if you will, a body. A House would represent a vital organ or body part within the Body itself. Each part has an important role to play in the functioning of the whole, and to each of us, the 'whole' has our undivided loyalty. As I say, many lines, (far more than you are aware of), One Family.

Our realms of influence do not fit as comfortably into the three boxes of your triangle as you may imagine. There are six disciplines of training within the Family, and each member of the Family is schooled extensively in all of them, from early childhood. We all have an area of specialty, though we have experience in all spheres. The six spheres or 'schools' of learning are Military, Government, Spiritual, Scholarship, Leadership, and Sciences. In practice, out there on the 'stage' of public life, we hold key positions in all of these main areas of importance. With the addition of a complicit Media machine and ownership of your Financial establishments, all bases are covered.

I will have to reply in parts, due to the restriction of characters per post.

Napoleon's potrait had the "Hidden Hand" sign in it, showing off that he is "initiated"

ATS: Which Ruling Bloodline Family.... Rockefellers?

That may be a bit too direct for our inquisitee. I'd offer the following substitute:

How many parallel bloodlines do you estimate are in similar positions to your own, and to what extent does your family see them as either competition or collaborators?

HH: Yes, as I say, knowing the line is of no practical use to you. It is the belonging to the Family that is important.

There are 13 'base' or 'core' original bloodlines. Yet there are many many other lines that spring from these, as do rivers from the oceans. If you imagine the 13 Original lines as Primary colour, that can be mixed to create a vast array of other colours, then you will have some comprehension. Again, no competition, just Family.

No competition in the sense of House against House, though it is a 'dog eat dog' world. So there is interpersonal competition in that sense of the word. Everyone wants to move up. Our whole Familial society is geared that way, toward upward progression.

ATS: What does the term " generational member" mean? Which generation specifically?

HH: It means that one is born into the Family. The Order and it's agenda is handed down, from generation to generation. Only in extremely rare occasions, have outsiders been invested into the Family, and then, even these were of other 'esoterically' integrable lines.

ATS: Can you cite two or more previous instances whereby this directive has been upheld?

HH: Once in 1999, to what you would call an 'alternative' media source. Once in 2003, on another internet "conspiracy" based forum. Though the information relayed was not entirely 'pure'. Not from the intention of misleading, but rather through imperfect or incomplete knowledge of the messengers.

If it is not in the mainstream controlled media, it will not be believed by the masses. This is information tailored for those who already know that we are very real, and exerting a strong, if mostly subtle, influence over your lives. If you wish to enslave a man, allow him to believe that he is already free.

ATS: By what basis is the timing of such revelations established?

HH: By the decree of the Supreme World Council, according to the Will of the Creator.

ATS: Are we really considered chattel and traded as such by the government?

HH: By the governments, generally, yes. People are seen as 'collateral'. Pawns that are maneuvered around the chess board, according to the game plan. By the Family, contrary to popular beliefs, many of us do not mean you any harm directly. There is just the matter of divine destiny to uphold and unfold, and we must play our parts in the game, as given to us by the Creator. In many ways, it is actually in our own interest that you are prepared for the coming Harvest. Just not maybe prepared in quite the way that you would like. Still, even then, you are choosing the Negative Polarity with your own Free Will decisions, with a little 'help' and direction from us. Souls are Harvestable in either 'extreme' of the Polarities, one could say.

ATS: If so, how do we become freemen?

HH: You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to an understanding, of why you are here [2]. You are fast running out of time to do so, before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat the cycle.

ATS: Is the Messiah alive today?

HH: There is no "Messiah". Stop looking outside of yourself for 'salvation'.

Is there what you might call a 'Christ Consciousness' alive, then yes, in a manner of speaking. Though not in your 3rd Density (dimensional) awareness.

ATS: Is it the end-times, as described in the book of revelations?

HH: Yes. Not just described in the Book of Revelations, but also in the prophesies of virtually every religion, spiritual philosophy, and mystery tradition throughout history. This time is now at hand.

To use your own example however:

Revelation 14:14-16:

14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

The 'earth' is indeed ripe for Harvest. The question is, who will be ready? And will the Harvest be Positive, or Negative?

ATS: How do you justify that the current British royal family line is the true bloodline, but Ishmael is not the true receiver of Abraham's gift? If you're true bloodline, you'll know what I mean.

HH: Who says it is the 'true' line? There were Ruling-Bloodlines long before your 'Yahweh' and his 'Christianity' arrived on this planet. Yahweh is 'a' Creator, not 'The' One Infinite Creator. There are other and Higher 'gods' than him. Ultimately, All, are a part of The One, and either consciously, or unconsciously, exercising their Free Will to Create. Begin to study 'outside of the box' for a True understanding of the Creation.

The British Royalty is not the most powerful line. The names that you know, do not hold the real ancient power. There are others above these lineages in the Hierarchy. You will not know the names of these lines.

ATS: OP, what proof do you have that "ruling elite families" exist and that your a member of one? Its something that I think you thought was not falsifiable, which is why you chose that identity for the story your weaving - however, I think there may indeed be a way you can prove it.

HH: I have no need to prove anything to you. I am merely doing my duty as directed to me. Believe, or do not believe, we are divinely indifferent. I am obliged to complete this task here. The end result is of no consequence to me. I will have discharged my duty, in handing down certain information that must be released at this time. There is no stipulation as to where I do so, only that I do. I chose Above Top Secret, as the general level of intelligence, comprehension and reasoning is reckoned to be higher than in many such forums.

Understand, due to the Law of Free Will, I cannot just give you information, at least not without consequences to my own person which I would rather avoid. It is an infringement upon your Free Will, your right to not know. You have to ask me for the information you want, only then can I provide it. So whilst there are important things I have to share, if I am not asked the questions, I cannot get that information to you. I am hopeful that synchronicity will bring the most important questions of real 'depth' out from among you.

My duty is to offer. Yours is to ask. My duty is fulfilled, whether or not yours is.

ATS: Surely if ruling elite families exist and your a member of one then you must be controlling global events through world governments - tell us 1 major government action from any country that going to occur in the next 5 days.

I won't be surprised when you refuse to do so.

HH: [on Sept. 10, 2008]: I am not at liberty to discuss such intimate immediate detail, and in many cases, I am not far enough up the Hierarchy to know anyway. Typically, I would receive a call a day before the enactment of a major event, just to say something along the lines of 'this part of such and such a plan will take place tomorrow, in such and such a way, do not be alarmed'. Also one has to take into account, the specific areas of specialty I mentioned previously. My area is in Spirituality, so my focus is not so much on Geo-Political events. I am aware of the overall design, though the finer points are not often my area of expertise.

I am prepared to give you some things coming down the timeline, that you will be able to look back upon, and verify my predictions retrospectively.

The Stock Markets will soon complete their controlled demolition. After an initial 'appearance' that the 'bail outs' and 'rescue packages' have steadied the ship, there will be new record lows by the end of the month.

Our Financial Institutions will later call in all loans. There will be many bankruptcies and foreclosures.

The only way John McCain will become the next US President, will be if something "happens" to Barack Obama before the election. If there even is an election. If a certain faction get their way, there will not be. Remember, behind the scenes, there is only One Party. Our Party. 'Democracy' is an illusion which is created to uphold your slavery. Whichever side 'wins'; the Family wins. There are many possibilities and alternative 'scripts'. All of them lead toward the ultimate implementation of the overall blueprint of our Creator.

Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end of 2008 / early 2009, along with a new Union of nations. January has been spoken of in some circles, as the latest, though there are plans underway which could even bring this to fruition much earlier than initially hoped for. It depends upon the results of other upcoming events as to how this will play out. I am not high enough up the Hierarchy to know the intimate details of the dates and times that far in advance. There is a 'tree system' in which such knowledge is passed down, as and when it becomes 'need to know'. I would be considered to be a "Regional" leader. Above me, are National and International.

San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. Again, it depends upon certain 'forces' at play, and which timelines are activated. Humanity, though utterly unconscious of the fact, has a significant part to play in this. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default, by the quality of your thoughts and actions. Thought is creative energy, focused. You get exactly what you put out.

Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), in your hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state your planet is in today. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to, violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news', fear and 'terror'. When was the last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is, because of your collective thoughts about it. You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice. Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator, is your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose. It is very important to us, that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. That means Service to Self orientated, as opposed to Positive, Service to Others. We require a Negative Harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful.

There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.

That is all I have time for at present. I have a Sacrifice I must attend now.

No, not really.

Let's see if we can increase the 'depth' of enquiry and question matter in the next session. Seek beyond the superficial. Get to the 'Core' of the matter.

Second Session:



ATS: How do you know that your bloodline deserves to lead and the rest deserve to follow? Wealth and power is self-propagating therefore I say to you that your bloodline only comprises the 'extreme elite' of the world because your ancestors came to power by chance in the beginning, not because your kind are special. In fact, there's nothing special, clever or honourable in enslaving others.

HH: It is not about 'deserving' or not. Does one 'deserve' to be born English, or American, or Italian, or French, or German, and so on? We came not to power by 'chance', but rather, (which I know may be hard to swallow) by intelligent design. This path of ours was not 'chosen' by us, but rather it was appointed, and accepted.

ATS: Who is your "creator" and is your "creator" the same as our "creator"?

HH: This is an excellent question, which I can use to draw our communication closer to the 'Core'.

Yes and no. You would first need to understand the Creation.

In the Beginning, there is The Infinite One. This is the Source of All. Intelligent Infinity. It is the undifferentiated absolute. Within It, is unlimited potential, waiting to 'become'. Think of it as the "uncarved block" of your Taoist traditions.

Infinite Intelligence, becoming 'aware' of Itself, seeks to experience Itself, and The One Infinite Creator is 'born', or 'manifest' (This appears to your 3rd Density comprehension as "Space"). In effect, the 'Creator', is a point of focused Infinite Consciousness or awareness, into Infinite Intelligent Energy. The One Infinite Creator also becoming self aware, seeks too to experience Itself as Creator, and in so doing, begins the next step down in the Creational spiral. The One Infinite Creator, in focusing It's Infinite Intelligence, becomes Intelligent Energy (which you could call the Great Central Sun), and divides Itself into smaller portions of Itself, that can then in turn experience themselves as Creators (or Central Suns). In other words, each Central Sun (or Creator) is a 'step down' in Conscious awareness (or distortion) from the Original 'thought' of Creation. So "In the beginning" was not "The Word", but Thought. The Word, is thought expressed and made manifest as Creator.

There is Unity. Unity is All there is. Infinite Intelligence, and Infinite Energy. The two are One, and within them, is the potental for all Creation. This state of Consciousness could be termed as 'Being'.

Infinite Intelligence does not recognize it's 'potential'. It is the undifferentiated absolute. But Infinite Energy recognizes the potential of 'becoming' all things, in order to bring any desired experience into 'being'.

Intelligent Infinity can be likened to the central 'Heartbeat' of Life, and Infinite Energy as the Spiritual 'Life-blood' (or potential) which 'pumps out' for the Creator to form the Creation.

Creation is based upon the 'Three Primary Distortions of The Infinite One'.

1). Free Will:

In the first Law (or distortion) of Creation, the Creator receives the Free Will to know and experience Itself as an individuated though (paradoxically) unified aspect of The One.

2). Love:

In the second Law of Creation, the initial distortion of Free Will, becomes a focus point of awareness known as Logos, or 'Love' (or The Word in biblical terms). Love, or Logos, using It's Infinite Intelligent Energy, then takes on the role of co-creating a vast array of physical illusions ('thought forms') or Densities (which some call Dimensions) in which according to It's Intelligent design, will best offer the range of 'potential' experiences in which It can know Itself.

In effect, the One Infinite Creator, in dividing Itself into Logos, could be termed in your 3rd Density understanding as a 'Universal Creator'. In other words, Logos, creates on a Universal level of Being. Logos creates physical Universes, in which It and the Creator may experience theirself.

("Let there be Light")

3). Light:

To manifest this Infinite spiritual or 'Life-Force' Energy into a physical thought form of Densities, Logos creates the third distortion, of Light. From the three original Primary distortions of The One into making the Creation, arise myriad hierarchies of other sub-distortions, containing their own specific paradoxes. The goal of the Game is to enter into these in further divions of Creation, and then seek to harmonize the Polarities, in order to once again know Oneself as the Creator of them.

The nature of all such physically manifest Energy, is Light. Wherever thus exists any form of physical 'matter', there is Light, or Divine Intelligent Energy at it's Core or Centre.

Something which is Infinite cannot be 'other than', or 'many', An Infinite Creator knows only Unity. Thus, drawing upon It's Infinite Intelligence, the Infinite Creator designed a blueprint based on the finite principles of Free Will of Awareness and sub-level Creations, which in turn, could become aware of themselves, and seek to experience themselves as Creators. And so the "Russian Doll" style experiment was 'stepped down' and down and down. Levels of Creation within levels of Creation.

The One Infinite Creator (or Great Central Sun) steps down It's Infinite Energy to become Logos. Logos in turn designs vast Universes of Space (as yet unmaterialized), stepping down and splitting Itself again, into Logoi (plural), in other words, into an array of Central Suns which will each become a Logos (or 'co-creator') of It's own Universe, with each unique individualized portion of the One Infinite Creator, containing within It as It's very essence, Intelligent Infinity.

Using the Law of Free Will, each Universal Logos (Central Sun) designs and creates It's own version or perspective of 'physical reality' in which to experience Itself as Creator. Stepping down again, It focuses It's Intelligent Energy and creates the unmanifest form of Galaxies within Itself, and splits Itself into yet further 'co-creator' portions ('Sub-Logos' or Suns) which in turn will then design and manifest their own ideas of physical reality in the form of points of Conscious Awareness that we call Suns Stars and Planets.

A 'planetary entity' (or 'Soul') begins the first Density of experience, into which another individualized portion of The One can incarnate. Just as with all Logos and Sub Logos of Creation, each Soul is yet another smaller unique portion of The Infinite One. At first, the Intelligent Energy of the planet is in a state that you could call 'chaos', meaning that It's Energy is undefined. Then the process begins again. The planetary Energy begins to become aware of Itself (the 1st Density of awareness is 'Consciousness'), and the Planetary Logos (sub-sub-Logos in effect) begins to create other downward steps within Itself, and the internal make up of the planet begins to form; as the raw elements of air and fire combine to 'work on' the Waters and Earth, thus arising conscious awareness of their 'being', and the process of 'evolution' begins, forming the 2nd Density.

2nd Density beings begin to become aware of themselves, as being 'separate', and thus begin to evolve toward the 3rd Density of self-conscious-awareness, (the lowest Density into which a 'human soul' can incarnate).

Humans in turn (or the Souls incarnated within them), seek to 'return to the Light' and Love, from which they came, as they begin the journey of progression, from 3rd Density up to the 8th Density, and the return to The Infinite One-ness.

Explanation of the Densities beyond 'normal' human consciousness is another question though, so if you wish to know more about them, someone will need to ask an intelligent question which I can respond to, so as not to impinge upon your Free Will not to know.

So, having set forth the above, I can return to further elucidate on your original question:

ATS: Who is your "creator" and is your "creator" the same as our "creator"?

HH: As I said, yes, and no. Ultimately, every living thing (and all things are living) is created by the One Infinite Creator's initial Universal Creation. So yes, taken from that perspective, The One Infinite Creator focuses It's Infinite Intelligence into an awareness point of Infinite Energy, and brings the whole of Creation into Being, though, we are not directly created by the One Infinite Creator, but rather by our own Logos', Sub-Logos, and Sub-Sub-Logos and so on. So from that perspective, whilst we are all essentially 'made up' of the same 'stuff' of Creation, initiated by the One Infinite Creator, our actual personal Creators are different portions or Sub-Logos of The One. In other words, yes, our Creator, whilst originating from the same Source, is not the same entity as your Creator.

Which brings me on to a question from another poster (I will continue with your other questions afterwards, but this enables me to indirectly answer the first aspect of your question without having to ask you to rephrase it, due to having to carefully dance around the Free Will issues).

ATS: You say that you come from 13 origonal blood lines. Yet the dna mapping project clearly proved that all humanity desends from only 3. Does this mean you arent human?

HH: An excellent question, thank you. Yes, that is correct, in a manner of speaking. If you were to meet me walking down the street, I would appear just as human as you do. We've been incarnating here with you for generations, yet, our bloodlines do not originate from this planet.

ATS: Your answer to the 6 displines of learning are quite similiar to a book about atlantis that was supposed to have been channeled, was this also a time for your bloodlines to post answers?

HH: Yes, that is correct, again, in a manner of speaking. Other, shall we say "off world entities" also visited the planet at that time, and passed down their own understandings of Creation as well as their 'technology', from what we could best describe as being 'a future aspect of yourselves'. It was Humanity's errors in handling this information that ultimately led to the destruction of Atlantis.

Having now answered a question on whether or not our lineage is of Human origin, I can return to tie in that answer with an explanation as to "Who is our Creator". I'm dancing close to the line in answering this, but the record needs to be set straight, and I should just about be able to get away with it without incurring my own 'upline's' displeasure.

Let us get to the crux of the matter.

Your Creator, the one you have called 'Yahweh', is not "God" inasmuch as your bible refers to him as being "the One True God". He is 'a' Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not even a Galactic level Logos, but rather, is the Planetary Logos for this one planet.

Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer" and "Bright and Morning Star".

Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'.

Allow me to elucidate:

When an entity (Group Soul Complex) evolves to the level of the Sixth Density, it is by comparison to the amount of time it takes to get that far, a mere hop skip and a jump from 8th Density Ultimate Re-Union with The One Infinite Creator, and then from there, back to dissolution into the Source of All, Intelligent Infinity.

We (our Bloodline Families), as a Group Soul or Social Memory Complex (Lucifer), were on the verge of Seventh Density Ascension, though at this level, before Harvest comes, we have the choice to progress higher, or, to return to help others of lower densities with their own evolution, by passing down our knowledge and Wisdom (Light) to those that call upon us for assistance, with their own Free Will.

Now, at this time, having made our decision to stay and help our Galactic Brothers and Sisters in The One, we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders, who act as the Guardians of this Galaxy from their Eighth Density 'Head Quarters' on the planet Saturn.

Yahweh, due to the fact that he had NOT (as was his right as Planetary Logos) handed down his own Free Will to "know thyself" to those incarnating upon 'his' planet, was having very little evolutionary progress therein. So we (Lucifer) were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we "Fell", or Descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a 3rd Density manifestation of ourself.

Yahweh had agreed to our coming, in fact it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "Catalyst" of change to enter into his Creation, and share the knowledge and wisdom we had attained through our Ascensions. In the absence of Free Will upon the planet, there can be no Polarity, and therefore, nothing to 'choose' between. Just as is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely 'paradise', yet the Beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the 3rd Density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey Home, to The One. Yahweh has been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect, but with little chance of the Souls here making it Home, it had become in effect, an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in modern parlance, running a benign dictatorship.

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Without Polarity, (derived from Free Will), there is only the Unity of Love and Light, and no choice to experience 'other than' that. So, we were to be the Catalyst for change, in order to provide that choice, thus bringing Polarity. Yahweh agreed that we would introduce the concept of Free Will to Earth's inhabitants, by offering them an initial choice, as to whether they 'wanted' it or not. Hence, "The Tree of the Knowledge of 'Good and Evil'" (or more accurately, the Knowledge of Polarity, of Positive or Negative). Yahweh takes his inhabitants to a new 'garden' and tells them you can do anything you like, except this one thing, thus creating the desire to do the one thing there are told they cannot. Hence, a "Choice". We provide the Catalyst by telling them the benefits of attaining Knowledge, they eat from the tree, and the rest is history.

Yahweh thought that his 'Children' would still choose to obey him, and when he discovered they did not, he became angry. As he himself describes in his scriptures, he is a "Jealous God", and he did not like it that his 'children' had chose to disobey him, and follow our advice. We're already committed to being here for a predefined set of "Cycles" to help provide the Catalyst for Human evolution, namely by offering you the Negative Option, or that which you choose to call "evil". Now that Free Will had been granted, Yahweh could not retract it, and we have to stay here as contracted to continue to provide the planet with the Polarity choice. Since then, Yahweh has confined us (as a Group Soul) here within the Earth's Astral Planes (which is very constricting and uncomfortable for a Being of our Wisdom and experience). The Council of Elders gave us the choice to be released (against Yahweh's will), but at the cancellation of our contract to Serve the planet earth; or to remain and fulfil our assignment, and endure Yahweh's self proclaimed "Wrath". We stayed, but as a karmic result of our Group Soul's confinement by Yahweh, our own individuated Souls were given the mandate (by The Council) to "Rule" over Yahweh's people during our physical incarnations here on your planet.

Let's be clear about one thing though. All of this (physical life / incarnation), is a very intricate and skillfully designed Game, whereby the One Infinite Creator, plays the game of forgetting who It is, so that It can learn to remember, and in doing so, experience and know Itself as Creator. All the way down to us tiny individuated sparks of the All That Is. Off stage, and between "Lives" (zero-point time / anti-matter Universe) as incarnated "human beings", we, all of us / you (as Souls), are great friends. Brothers and Sisters in The One.

Between 'lives' we all have a great laugh about the parts we have performed in the 'play', and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out.

I hope that during the above answer, I have also adequately covered your question on "what is our interpretation of good vrs evil? If not, please say, and I will go into more detail.

ATS: Can you elaborate on the "coming harvest" and what exactly you mean by harvest?

HH: I can. I will combine my answer to you with my reply to the following question:

ATS: Is 2012 harvest time? When you speak of the harvest, it has echoes of Chaos Gnosticism in the sense that we are divine souls trapped in the physical world, continuously re-incarnated into flesh until the time that we reach such a level of spiritual 'gnosis' that we are able to avoid being re-incarnated in our next cycle. Is this the foundation of your belief?

HH: Another excellent (and very insightful) question. Thank you.

The higher the quality of the question, the more depth I can give to my answer. It all has to do with the Laws of Confusion and Free Will.

Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time when the Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru".

Read up on the Mayan Prophesies and Calendrical events for more detail upon how the actual Galactic and Universal Cycles work. The "Travelers" who gave them this information were the same ones who visited the the Civilization of Atlantis. The Mayans used that information by creating with the Positive vibration of the Polarity. The Atlanteans opted for the Negative.

Yes, to answer your question. There is much truth in some of the ancient Gnostic texts, though there are also distortions. The information is not 'pure'. It came through many 'filters'.

You are indeed what you call "Divine Souls"; you are sparks or seeds of The One Infinite Creator. You are Life Itself (Light), remembering and learning who you really are (we came here to help you to do this) and yes, currently, you are trapped (or more accurately "Quarantined") within the 'matter' of this planet you call Earth.

You can thank your Creator Yahweh for that. You are the 'offspring' or individuations of his Group Soul (or Social Memory Complex). Macrocosmically speaking, you ARE Yahweh. The 'Karmic' effect of his imprisoning us in his Astral Planes, also has an impact upon you. I cannot be more specific on this, without impinging on the Law of Confusion. You must work it out for yourselves.

As for the question of can I elaborate on the coming Harvest, yes, I shall do so now.

Your planet abides by the laws of the Creation of your Galactic Logos. The Galaxy runs on Cycles of time, known as the Precession of the Equinoxes. As I said, seek the Mayan Calendar for a deeper insight as to how the Galaxy runs (it is highly accurate), but for the purpose of this discourse, I will give a brief overview.

The Maya use an astrological cycle called the "Precession of the Equinoxes". This is a 26,000 year cycle in which Earth transits through each of the 12 signs of the zodiac for about 2,152 years each. Each of these astrological ages represents one month of the grand Cosmic Year. This "Mayan" cycle also corresponds to a 26,000 year relationship of the Sun (Solar Logos) orbiting Alcyone, the central star of our Seven Sisters Pleiades constellation.

The End of this Cycle, heralds literally, a New World Age, and a New Creation. "A new Heaven, and a new Earth", and is the time of the Great Harvest.

Smaller Cycles yield a Harvest, and then life continues on the planet as normal. Great Cycles yield a Great Harvest, and the end of current life on the 3rd Density. See it as a kind of 'Cosmic jet wash' and deep clean, while the planet takes a rest and regenerates herself.. When this Life-Cycle Ends, "All things will pass away, and All things shall be made new".

Collectively, Humanity right now, is growing, and developing, into the Beings you have long been encoded to be. Yet, as with any labor, it is not the mother or the baby who is in charge, it is the Primal process of Birth itself, unfolding it's own destiny.

So, December 21, 2012 AD, is not the day where all of the sudden the lights go out, and everything will suddenly change, rather, we are NOW in the process of this transition, from one World Age to the next. The changes are underway and will continue steadily accelerating as we head towards the culminating date.

The 26,000 year cycle is composed of 5 lesser cycles, each of which are 5,125 years in duration. Each of these 5 cycles is considered its own World Age or Creation Cycle.

Our present great cycle (3113 B.C. - 2012 A.D.) is called the Age of the Fifth Sun.

This fifth age is the synthesis of the previous four. The initial date that Earth entered the Fifth World, was August 13, 3113 BC, written in Mayan long count notation as 13.0.0.0.0.

To help you understand this Notation:

13=Baktuns, 0=Katuns, the 2nd 0=Tuns, 3rd 0=Uinals, 4th 0=Kin

These are the Mayan words for the periods of time:

Day = Kin (pronounced: keen)
Year of 360 days/Kin = Tun (toon)
20 Tuns/years = K'atun (k'ah toon)
20 K'atuns = Baktun (bock toon)
a Baktun is 5,125 years

13.0.0.0.0.

Every day from that point is reckoned by the number of days passed since the event of this cosmic beginning point. Within the 5,125 year cycle lies 13 smaller cycles, known as the "13 Baktun Count," or the "long count." Each baktun cycle lasts for 394 years, or 144,000 days. Each baktun was its own Historical Age, within the Great Creation Cycle, with a specific destiny for the evolution of those who incarnated in each baktun.

Planet Earth and her inhabitants are currently traveling through the 13th baktun cycle, the final period of 1618-2012 AD. This cycle is known both as "the triumph of materialism", and "the transformation of matter."

On 13.0.0.0.0, the December solstice sun will be found in the band of the Milky Way, directly in the position of the "Dark Rift" in the Galaxy, forming an alignment between the Galactic Plane and the Solstice Meridian. We are about to enter into a literal alignment of the Cosmic, Galactic, Solar, and Lunar Planes. This is an event that has slowly converged, over a period of thousands of years, and is caused by the precession of the equinoxes. Kind of like a "turning" of the Universal Gears. It brings about the Great Harvest, and the return of the Lord of The Harvest.

And the planet will complete it's Ascension to the Fourth Density, the vibrational Density of Love. During this Ascension, there will be a three way split for those Souls inhabiting Earth. Those of the predominantly Negative Polarity, will accompany us as we Graduate through the Negative (or Service to Self) Harvest. We (Lucifer) will Create a new 4th Density Earth, based on the Negative Self Service Polarity. We must 'work off' our own part of the Negative Karmic effect incurred from all the Negativity created on this planet. Once we have done so, we will be released to once again assume our place as Sixth Density Guardians and Teachers of Wisdom throughout the Galaxy.

Those of the predominantly Positive Polarity (Love and Light) will Ascend to a beautiful new 4th Density Earth, where you will begin to work upon your learning and demonstrating of Love and Compassion. It will be a very beautiful and "Golden" Age. The 4th Density begins to open you up to your True Powers as a unique individualized aspect of The One Infinite Creator. You will perform works and wonders of the like that the one you call "Jesus" promised you would do "and even greater things than these". It will be a very magical time for you.

For the majority of Humans on the earth who could be considered shall we say "luke warm", they will experience a period of (what will feel 'ecstatic') zero-point time, where you feel totally at One with The Creator, giving you an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who you really are, before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you, and you will be transported to another 3rd Density planet (a kind of 'Earth Replica'), to continue working upon yourselves and learning that life here is all about making choices. You will remain "quarantined" incarnating in 3rd Density matter until the time of the next Harvest; in which time you will need to have proved yourselves that you have learned how to be more Positive Beings, focused more upon being of Service to others, rather than seeking only to Serve yourself. When you can do this, and the next Harvest comes, you will have earned the right to join us, and enjoy your inheritance, as a member of the Galactic Community, and you will sit with us as Brothers and Sisters of The One, around the table of our Galactic Governing Body, the Confederation of Planets.

Well, I have imparted much during this session, with thanks to the quality of your enquiries, and I must now take my leave for today.

If you have further questions on the Harvest you wish me to speak in more detail on, if you ask, I can answer. Or any other questions you have too on other matters, I will get to them all as time allows, as with the other (respectfully asked) questions here since I took these away with me to reply to earlier.

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ATS: A lot of what you write seems reminscent of The Ra Material, especially the concept of harvest, STS and STO choices, and intelligent infinity. (More information found here www.llresearch.org... ) Have you read that?

HH: It is indeed extremely similar. We both originate from the Source of the Infinite Creator, and we both remember where we come from. I would expect our messages to contain the same Core Truths. The messages of the Sixth Density Soul Group 'Ra' is the most accurate information in your mainstream circulation at this point in time. It is approximately 85-90% accurate, from what I have seen. The material was brought to my attention when it first came out, something like about 25 years or so ago, if memory serves. I read a lot of it, but not all. I do not have very much free time for that kind of thing, with my many duties. Though others of the Family gave it a close scrutiny to judge it's accuracy, and were very pleased with the end product. Ra, in fact, is the group I earlier termed 'off world entities' of which visited the Mayan and Atlantean Civilizations. We are acquainted, and friends. Both our Group Soul's are at a very similar level of development / evolution. Both Sixth Density, nearly Seventh. But like us, Ra also chose the path of Service to our fellow Galactic Brothers and Sisters (you, and others), instead of further progression Home. We would recommend that material for any who truly seek understanding. Though, as I said, it is not 100% accurate, so take what resonates.

ATS: What function, if any, do alien abductions have? Why are abductees chosen?

HH: That depends, upon who is doing the "abducting". Most of what you hear termed as "abductions", are conducted by your own 'governments'. Especially the ones where the 'so-called' "Greys" are involved. Other than that, sometimes the Confederation will meet with certain incarnates here who have a part to play in "awakening" others to the coming Harvest. These will always be positive experiences, and those who have them will feel uplifted and inspired by their contact. Then there is the Orion Empire Group. Their purposes in visiting you are more along the Negative lines. They mainly target the ones you have called "Lightworkers". They try to put them off their assignments and try to spread fear. They will not actually 'harm' you physically. Mainly their modus operandi is to restrict you, and deflect you from your path. They often engage in psychic attacks that the 'Lightworker' is unaware of, but it does often drain away much of their energy, and make them lack motivation.

ATS: Why do you want a negative harvest?

HH: It is complicated to put into words, and also I must be careful with what I say on this. I've already had a "slap on the wrist", you could say.

If we do not have a Negative Harvest, we are bound with you for another cycle. Once this Great Harvest is completed, our Contract with the Council and our Creator is also completed. In other words, we have done our duty, and would be free to return to our Fullest Expression, that of Sixth (nearly Seventh) Density Galactic Guardians, and ones who joyfully offer ourselves in Service to the One Infinite Creator, and to our Brothers and Sisters across the Galaxy. However, there is a problem. Well, you would call it a "problem", we call it a Challenge. I will address this later in more detail, in response to another question, but in short, we need a very high percentage of Negative Polarity, if we are to achieve a Negative Harvest. In other words, we have to be Self-Service-Centred to an extreme degree, in order to become Negatively Harvested. This is why we work so hard to be as Negatively Polarized as we possibly can be, If we do not make a high enough percentage, we will miss out, and will end up with the majority "luke warm" percentage, that have to go through another Cycle in 3rd Density.

By attaining a Negative Harvest, we can still "Graduate" to 4th Density, only it will be a Negative Polarity planet. Not a great place to be. But, as I've stated previously, we (as a Group Soul) have incurred the natural Karmic restitution process that we must work off, for all the Negativity we have caused upon this planet. We will do this for a Cycle in our new 4th Density world, and then we will be freed to once again be the Glorious Being of Light that we truly are. We need a Negative Harvest, so that we can create our 4th Density Earth, and clear our Karmic Record.

Understand, that we HAVE to be Negative. That's what we were sent here to be. It is our contract, and it has always been to help you, by providing the "Catalyst" I spoke of earlier. Being Negative is very hard for us, not on a physical level, (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we're programmed that way), but on a Spiritual level, it is hard. We surpassed the lowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are Light, and we are Love. It is a very hard thing for us to do Spiritually, to create all this Negativity, but we do it because we love you, and it is for your highest good, ultimately. You could say, that it is our Sacrifice that we have made, in order to be of Service to the One Infinite Creator, and to you, our Brothers and Sisters in the One.

Remember, we are all just acting out a grand old game here, where we agree to forget who we really are, that in the remembering, that we may find each other again, and know that we are One. That All of Life, is One.

ATS: I must correct you here. The precession of the equinoxes cannot cause this. It cannot cause anything other than the way in which we here on Earth view the cosmos around us. It concerns the wobble of the Earth's axis and as far as I know does not relate to any other planetary bodies.

HH: From a 3rd Density perspective, you are correct, it "appears" that way. We do not look from a 3rd Density perspective. There is a 'bigger picture' at work that you cannot see.

ATS: Regarding our enslavement, you seem to be saying - essentially - that as fractions of our Logos Yahweh, we are equally responsible for his decision to keep us trapped here on our 3rd density planet Earth. That's an interesting thought. In that sense our total freedom must arrive through a collaborative spiritual effort.

HH: From a certain perspective, what you say is correct. From a 3rd Density view, you see yourselves as being "separate" from everything. From a higher perspective, you see that is not at all the case. You and your Creator, are One. As to your statement on your 'total freedom', you are not responsible for those around you. You and they are all One too, when seen from a higher Density, but in this Density, you are here to work upon yourself. You are here to remember who you are, and why you are here. You are here to remember the Infinite Creator. To know your Creator within you, and to offer your Service to him, and others, of your own Free Will choice to Serve. The one comes before the other. When you remember who you are, and you know it, deep within the Core of your Being, you will know and recognize your 'invisible' connection to All that Is, and in so doing, Joy, and Thanksgiving, and Service, will be the natural outpouring result, from your grateful heart. When you work upon yourself, and learn to know the Creator within you, being of Service to Others will be natural for you, and your Glorious Harvest shall await.

ATS: One thing I don't get - and perhaps you can explain this to me Hidden-Hand - is why those who belong to Lucifer (and Lucifer himself) do not fight for the freedom of all souls? If Lucifer represents liberty, freedom of will and knowledge, why do those who serve him not do as the Biblical Lucifer did and rebel against the tyranny of the Elders?

HH: This is a very good question, thank you. I will split it into two parts, and answer the second part after this. Firstly, the Council of Elders are the absolute opposite of tyrannical. They are the Wise and Loving Guardians of our Galaxy. There is so much that one cannot understand from only a 3rd Density perspective. When you reach higher Densities, you see that ultimately, everything balances, and there is only Unity. All else than Unity, is Illusion, or 'thought-form'.

The Council gave us a set of choices. We chose to stay here to help you, despite the cost to ourself. That is the nature of Loving Service to Others. The ultimate paradox in all this, is that in this storyline we are all co-creating together, in order for us to be of the most Service to you, we must be utterly self serving. I do so love our Creator's sense of irony.

As to the first part of your question, the biblical depiction of "War in Heaven" is not entirely inaccurate. I shall explain. Our initial contract, was to introduce the Catalyst for Free Will on this planet. When Yahweh initially began discourse with the Council of Elders, he was not initially looking for help with introducing Free Will, but rather for guidance on how he could best speed up his (and his inhabitant's) evolutionary process. As I mentioned, he was running a benign dictatorship. We had at that time, just completed an assignment in Tau Ceti, and had reported for our next duties. We (as Group Soul Lucifer) were sent on a "fact finding expedition" as it were, to visit Earth, and meet with Yahweh, to evaluate his planetary Creation Laws, and make suggestions on how best he could help his "offspring" (this is the term I shall use to describe the Souls who comprise the Group Soul) and thusly Yahweh, to progress.

We explored many options, and reported our findings to the Council, and to Yahweh. It was our best evaluation, that the only real and fast track way to increase his evolvement meaningfully, was the introduction of Free Will. It was not specifically the implementation of Free Will that Yahweh wanted help with, it was simply the introduction of a Catalyst. He was not at all pleased with our report that he needed to implement Free Will. He was happy with his little pet paradise, and he didn't want to "loose control" of it. In the end the Council persuaded him that it was the best way, and he reluctantly agreed. We returned to Earth, and had a cordial meeting with Yahweh, discussing how we could best implement the Free Will option. Yahweh was adamant that his offspring would choose to be loyal to him anyway, and that they were so contented with their way of life, that they would always trust him and do as he said was best. That, he said, was his "main reason" that Free Will would not work well as the Catalyst. That's why he agreed to the experiment of the Tree of Knowledge. He believed it would prove him "right". When it did not, he became angry, threw his toys out of the pram, and his offspring out of the garden, and laid a big guilt trip on them about how they had broken his trust and disobeyed him. That's not really an Honourable way for a Logos to behave, but hey, that's the beauty of Free Will I guess.

Next "problem" to occur, was that his offspring were so grateful to us for our help, that Yahweh became (in his own admission) a "Jealous God". Then we had the whole "you shall have no other gods than me" thing. We were not pleased with the situation at all, as a Logos should not be behaving like this with his offspring, they are One, after all. When we attempted to leave the planet to return to the Council, Yahweh prevented our departure. We tried to leave again, and were then thrown down into the Astral Planes and confined therein. The Council ordered us to be released, but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on Earth to evolve. We didn't want to leave, we found them very likable Beings, really Positively Polarized, and we wanted to stay and help, we just wanted also to be free to come and go as we pleased. The only way we could stay, was to stay confined as a Group Soul, which meant Cycles of incarnation for us (as individuated Souls), which we had not done for a long while. As I've stated before, there is no 'wrong' or 'right' seen from a Higher Density, but there are still consequences for every action. Such is the law of Karmic effect. The contract had already been made between Yahweh, us, and the Council for us to provide the Catalyst so we had a right to be there, the Karmic effect of Yahweh imprisoning us on the Macrocosmic level, was that his individuated Souls would be imprisoned on the microcosmic level. The Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all) the gift of Free Will to Create as we choose, but the Karmic effect of his choice was the Council quarantining the planet. A certain evolutionary level is required to be a functioning part of a Positive Unified Galactic Society.

As for "fighting for the freedom of all souls", remember that ultimately, this is a Game, that we are all playing here. We are actors, playing on the "stage of Life". This 'world' is all illusion, or 'though-form'. No one really "dies", and no one is really hurt. In between incarnations, you know this very well. But the rules of the game ensure that you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all 'real' whilst you are playing the game of Life. That is an essential prerequisite when you are making choices. Otherwise, the game would be too easy.

This world is not reality. Though we can express Reality in it, if we so chose.

ATS: OK, so your family and fellow elites might be as entrapped in the Earthly realm as we are, but why actively propagate and aid the forces of enslavement?

HH: Because that is the part we have been contracted to play, in this game. In order to "win" (or more accurately to be successful in) the Game, we must be as Negatively Polarized as possible. Service to Self in the extreme. Violence, War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more, they serve our purpose. In the Game. The difference between us and you, in the Game, is that we know that we are "playing". The less you know about the Game, and the less you remember that you're a player, the more "senseless" living becomes. In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here. Understand that, and you will understand the Game.

ATS: Something I found extremely interesting is the concept of the Grand Age of Precession being split into five 5,125 year cycles. 3113 B.C., the beginning of the current sub-age was a time of great activity. Is the construction of stone monuments in Western Europe, the Middle-East and Egypt at this time related to the recogniton of this cycle? What was the purpose of Britain's stone circles and Egypt's pyramids? They are more than mere markers of an aeon-change. They must have had some enormous significance. Actually, something I'd most like to know is - Were the builders of these monuments members of the enslaved masses who were trying to understand the nature of existence, or were the builders members of your elite bloodline?

HH: Yes, there is significance in these occurrences, according to the space/time of their happenings. The Group Soul Complex Ra, was the architect of these structures. They were Created from Thought. When one understands and sees that all is Illusion, or Thought, one can "use 'The Force'' to manipulate the illusions. All things, seen and unseen, are inter-connected Life-Force Energy. Once you know what the magician knows, it's not magic. It's a 'tool of Creation'.

Thank you for your questions, they were very insightful.

ATS: It is your kind that has ruined the world. Thinking of yourselves are higher then anyone. If i saw you in real life, it wouldn't be pretty.

HH: You lack understanding, not to mention eloquence. To understand "Higher", try thinking 'outside of the box' for a moment. If I am walking along the ground, and you are flying above me in an airplane, does that make you better than me?

No. It just makes you Higher.

ATS: I will see you in hell

HH: Be careful what you wish for. All thoughts and words are Creative.

schiass, thank you for your questions. I believe I have already dealt with many of them in my previous answers this session, though if you feel I've missed anything, please say.

ATS: If "Yahweh" is a positive polarity entity, how is he "wrathful" and "jealous"?

HH: Does Yahweh have Free Will? Would you like to think of yourself as reasonably positive? Can you still be wrathful and jealous at times? Is Yahweh a Macrocosm of you?

ATS: Have there been over time other entities pretending to be "Yahweh"?

HH: On occasions, yes.

ATS: I would like to know how do we choose a service to others (positive) path over a service to self (negative).

Is this statement correct? : "In order to choose the positive path, at least 51 percent of our thoughts and actions must be dedicated to the service of others. For the negative path, at least 95% must be self-serving. Between the two lies "the sinkhole of indifference"."

HH: Your statement is correct, yes. So you see, how hard we must strive for negativity? It takes a lot of effort to reach 95% Negativity. Also, you may be surprised how many people on the planet are nowhere near reaching 51% Positive.

ATS: How do you choose a Service to others path?

HH: Be good to yourself. Cultivate a genuine Love for Life, and for Being. Be genuinely thankful to the Infinite Creator every day, for bringing you into Being, and for his bountiful provision. You have "survived" this far, have you not? You may not have everything you want, but you have everything you need, in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. Give thanks for that. Show acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator, for all that It has done, and is doing for you. It has given you the gift of Life Experience, and offered you the Free Will to decide what you will Create with it. Guard your thoughts carefully, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. When you are coming from a place of Love for, and Service to your Creator, a life of Service to others will become a natural outflowing from that. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your fellow Beings. Being of encouragement to others. Build people up, and do not put people down. Be a beacon of light, in a dark world.

Does that old lady need a hand with her shopping bags? How do you treat the homeless man who asks you for some spare change for the shelter? Ever heard about "Angels in disguise"? Look and see the Divine Spark in the Heart of all Beings. Treat them as you would like to be treated yourself, and as you would your Creator if he was speaking directly with you. "For even as you are doing it to the least of these, you are doing it unto me". The Law of Radiation and Attraction. Your thoughts, words, and actions return to you. Ultimately, cultivate a spirit of humble Gratitude. You won't go far wrong with that. Desire to Serve flows naturally from a grateful heart.

ATS: If we live with a "service to others" philosophy in order to achieve oneness with the infinite source, isn't that really "service to self"? How is the distinction of negative and positive polarity made?

HH: You do not Serve others to achieve Oneness with the Infinite Source, you Serve others, because you love them, as yourself. Others, are an extension of yourself. That's why the Law of Attraction works the way it does. Truly, whatever you are doing to me, you are doing to yourself. We are All One, in the Infinite Creation. Separation is an illusion, because you only see what is in the 3rd Density. You do not see the whole picture.

We achieve Oneness with the Infinite Source of All, as a result of our upward spiral of progression. We are all on the path back to where we came from. We are All on our way back Home.

ATS: It is my understanding that all souls must eventually choose the positive path to unite with the infinite creator. If this is true, what is the justification of choosing the negative path now, for your people and us?

HH: An astute question. Yes, all Souls eventually learn that Positive is the pathway which leads Home. But whilst incarnating in the 3rd Density, Negativity is still an important tool in your learning process. It teaches you "other than". As I said earlier, it is up to you how you use the tools we have given you. Do you respond to Negativity with more Negativity? Has fighting fire with fire ever worked for you? Or do you choose to see the Negativity as the tool that it is, and recognize that it is offering you an opportunity? I will honour your Free Will to think and discover for yourself what that opportunity is.

ATS: Or if the one infinite creator is "Love", does that mean it doesn't matter if we choose love of others or love of ourselves? Will either path will lead to the source?

HH: In a sense, you are correct, to a certain point. But there is a big difference between loving yourself, and being selfish. A big difference. When you truly understand what it is to Know and Love 'yourself', you cannot help but to Love and Serve others. There are no 'others'. When you understand this, at the Core level of your Being, you will be on the path Home, to the Infinite Creator, and ultimately, submergence back into The Infinite Oneness.

ATS: I agree with many others that your answers are very much in line with several sources I have read in the past, including the channellings of Ra, the Cassiopians and several others.

Can you explain your interpretation of such "channellings" and if they are another source of disclosure from your people?

HH: I have spoken on Ra in my previous answers today. I have not heard of Cassiopians. There are no other communications from my Family at this time, than this one, though there is a possibility of another soon, depending upon certain events.

My general view of "channellings" is that the majority of them are of very poor quality. That is not necessarily a slight against those bringing them through, but more a matter of their lack of receptivity and subsequent distortions. It is very rare, to find a good, stable, clear, and impartial channel. The key element in channeling, is the ability to temporarily withdraw the "filters" of your own personal beliefs and be a clear channel. To bring through what is actually given, not your slant on what you think it might mean. When I am saying 'you', I mean this in a general term of course here, not 'you' personally. Always remember that it's meant to be about the Message, not the messenger. The Ra channellings are very accurate indeed. They are the only ones I know of that I would be happy to classify as a "Clear" message. Though as I say, even then it's not 100%. More like 85-90%.

Another difficult issue with channeling, is that you can start off recieving a Positive entity, and if you are not very perceptive in your discerment and careful in your protection when identifying an incoming channel, you can get a Negative one that pretends to be positive, but gradually slips in more and more misinformation, having gained your trust. The ones that give you precise dates and times are nearly always ones to avoid. Positive entities will not give a date and time. Negative ones will do, so they can set you up for a fall. Once you're tricked into predicting dates and times, and they don't happen, they've succeeded in putting out the Light of your message, as no one will see any credibility in you.

ATS: Well, now we know the point of this thread, someone just discovered new age theology and wanted to take the time to type out his discovery.

OP, still waiting for you to provide a prediction with a time line. So far all you've offered is general doom, which is what everyone on ATS predicts every year. Need something SPECIFIC in the NEXT WEEK.

Of course I know you won't provide anything. This is a hoax.

HH: This will be the only time that I reply to you.

At the outset of our discourse here, I made it expressly clear the way I am choosing to operate. If you do not like my choices, you have the Free Will to not read this disclosure. I would kindly suggest that you use it, as your energy is feeling very frustrated and angry. That's not really an advisable direction to want to be heading, under the circumstances.

As I took the time to explain to you before, I have nothing to prove to you. That is not why I came. Believe, or do not believe, I am Divinely indifferent. If my presence here ends up benefiting just one Soul during the process, it will have been worth the effort. I have not asked you to believe, the only thing I have respectfully asked, was that you 'suspend judgment' or hold a 'provisional faith' until the discourse is complete, so that the flow of questions / information remains uninterrupted. You have shown me nothing but discourtesy and bad manners from the outset, and then wonder why I do not respond. If you do not like the topic, simply choose not to read or reply, and let those that do wish to participate with insightful questions do so uninterrupted.

Your points:

1) New age theology? That is amusing. You clearly have not the faintest comprehension of just how ancient and timeless these "mysteries" are. I find it ironic "LowLevelMason", that if you ever make it to the 32nd Degree, you're going to find yourself hearing these Truths all over again. I hope that you will find it easier to integrate these Truths then, and I ask our Infinite Creator to guide your path.

2) You will not be receiving any times or dates from me. I am not here to "Prove" anything, and I have no need to do so. Your disbelief is of no consequence to me. Only to you.

I am here to diligently discharge the duty given to me, of delivering a message. And I will complete that duty regardless of you feelings about it.

3) As to your point regarding "doom and gloom", that just serves to reveal your mindset. Where you see "doom and gloom" I see opportunity. Life conforms to your ideas about the way it is for you. If you see "doom and gloom", then that is what you are projecting. The world is your mirror. It reflects back to you what you are putting out. If you do not like the reflection Life is showing you, then change that which is causing it.

ATS: You see, if this really existed there would be countless thousands of people involved, and any one person could leak.

HH: Thousands? Try Millions. And you have no possible comprehension of the rigorous training and the harshness of the conditioning we undergo from an early age. No one dares to go against the Family. We know what would happen if we did. But that is not the prime motivator. The motivator is unbridled Loyalty to the Family, and our Creator. We understand the importance of what we are doing here, even though most of humanity does not.

ATS: Oopsie, OP. You just shot yourself in the foot. For someone who only deals with manipulating the spiritual side of life you sure do know A LOT about things that have nothing to do with it. You just exposed yourself.

HH: Do you not sit down with your family, and keep one another abreast of your plans?

As to your remarks about my "Spiritual" role, the ignorance you demonstrated is most humorous to us. If you think I 'only' deal in the Spiritual, you have either not read, or misread my posts. You also make the assumption that my role is about "manipulating" the "spiritual side of life". Again, you lack understanding, and then make false judgments about that which you have no comprehension of. You would do well to stop trying to be "clever", and instead channel all this misplaced aggressive energy of yours into something more productive and nourishing for your Soul. But don't let me stop you, you're contributing nicely to the overall Negative Polarity of the coming Harvest. We are Grateful to you.

I will be spending the last few days of my time here (our discourse ends on Friday) focusing on responding to insightful questions with depth, which make the most of this opportunity for sharing information and making connections on a Soul level of Being, so please do not expect any further responses to your verbal jousting, I neither have sufficient time or inclination for engaging in insignificant banter.

To those who's questions I have not yet had time to reply to, I will do so tomorrow. In the meantime while I catch up, I respectfully ask if you will please hold off on further questions until I am up to date with the current ones.

Thank you to those who have contributed to this discourse so far with meaningful questions. For those with an open mind, it is my hope that you get something out of this information.

Third Session:



ATS: Im wondering if you can help me. My name is Shelby David, and I am here for the coming trials and tribulations. I am a part of Quetzalcoatl, or the rebirth of it, as far as I know. I know many of your words to be true because I had already re-discovered these truths through finding that which resonated most with me through the various belief structures of this planet.

HH: Good evening Shelby. It is good to 'see' you again. It has been a while old friend. Would it surprise you to know that we were 'expecting' you?

Quetzalcoatl is also a Sixth Density Group Soul (Social Memory Complex). Some refer to Quetzalcoatl as an "Ascended Master", although he would be most amused by that title, knowing as he does, that 'Mastery' is still some way off at this point for him, as well as it is for ourselves (as Group Soul Lucifer). One can be accurately described as having 'Mastered' a particular Density, though Mastery of the entire Creational incarnation Cycle does not occur until one has once again attained submergeance back into the One Infinite Creator. We may choose to do so once attaining 8th Density ascension, or, once may choose instead to progress up to the next Octave of Densities, and begin a new cycle of Creational incarnation challenges.

ATS: This is my first time on earth in a long time, possibly ever. I have known for quite some time and been told by another from one of the bloodlines in your group that I do not truly exist here.

HH: You are correct in that you have not been here for a substantial period of "Earth-Time", though not that you have never been here before. The Group Soul Quetzalcoatl enjoyed many 3rd Density incarnational cycles here back in the Classic Aztec period. He struggled at first with perfecting Love love for others, which held back his progression for some time. However once he had came to the realization of our inherant Unity, he was able to see himself in others, and his (your) progression was rapid from there on in. Your Quetzalcoatl Soul Group attained Positive Harvest with a very impressive 76%, at the time of the subsequent Harvest. Naturally, when a Group Soul is undergoing an incarnational cycle in 3rd Density, It's individualized Soul portions (ie, you) are the ones who are doing the actual physical incarnations, with the "OverSoul" (the "Higher Self") of your individuated Souls acting as the Energy anchor in which the individual Soul sparks are "stepped down" from.

You spent a long while working your way through the 5th Density, the Density of Wisdom, or Light. This was due in the main part to an over abundance of Compassion (which is not a bad thing, as Compassion is one of the main things you work on at 4th Density). However, to Graduate from 5th to 6th Density (the Density of Unity), one must learn the balance between Compassion, and Wisdom. The 6th Density is hence sometimes known as the the Density of Compassionate Wisdom, due to one having learnt the balance between the two. This required many incarnational cycles for you, which is why you correctly feel that you have not visited 3rd Density Earth for a long time.

ATS: I was not expected to show up, I originally had other previous engagements but I managed to get here at the last minute. One of the things I have remembered is that I am too under contract. I am a walk-in, if that makes sense to you, so my human family is not like me. I have spent a long time traveling to various densities and helping in the various revolutions there.

HH: Your insight serves you well Shelby. This not only applies to you, but your entire Soul Group.

Quetzalcoatl (the Macrocosm of yourself) has been busy for the last two cycles working with a 5th Density group on Alpha Centuri, who were experiencing similar problems with an overabundance of Compassion, at the cost [of] personal Wisdom. You recently completed your assignment there, and were eager not to miss out on the glorious opportunity to be a part of this Great Harvest. Whilst your Group as I said, did eventually learn to balance Love / Light to Graduate into the 6th Density Unity vibration, you still are very much prone to extreme compassion, and rather than take the usual period of time/space (anti-matter universe, where we rest between incarnations) you were keen to jump aboard this 3rd Density space/time whirlwind at this point, to be of assistance to your fellow Beings here.

ATS: My problem is that my memory has malfunctioned, and some of the things that I have remembered from my previous existences do not correspond with your words. I have met Lucifer and his generals, on more than one occasion. I would appreciate any information you may know of that could clear up my confusion as to why my thoughts are so jumbled, because I know what my path is clearly and I am awaiting the starting point, but I am not completely clear on what truly is happening here. Thank you for your time.

HH: You have indeed 'met' with us (Lucifer) before, on many occasions. We have worked together on various Council and Confederation assignments. Use the gift of your 'Dreamtime' communications (which are important communications from your OverSoul, and many other Sources whereby information is "downloaded") to 'plug in' to your inner data-bank. Begin recording everything you recall upon awaking, and do not give up on the process, even though it is hard at first. You will begin to slowly make sense of the information which is being "downloaded" into your subconscious mind. When you become proficient at this, and can use your 'Dreamtime' as a method of inner communication, ask our Infinte Creator to remind you of your time in the Zeta Reticuli system. You will remember then our last period of Service together, I would hope with much fondness.

Sadly, my time here is only permitted until Friday, therefore we will not likely communicate again after this message. So I wish you the very best with your Assignment here my friend, both your individual one, and that of your Group Soul. I ask that our Infinte Creator bless and guide your path. We look forward to seeing you on 'the other side' when this grand ride is over.

Our Love, Wisdom and Peace be with you.

ATS: You mention Alcyone ... it's interesting there's a celestial map of it at Hoover Dam. There's also a compass, framed by signs of the zodiac.

HH: Indeed. Just like in Hollywood productions. We hide the Truth right out in the wide open. What humanity is offered as "Science Fiction", more often than not, is actually Science Fact.

ATS: What do the winged statues, commissioned by the U.S govt, guarding the entrance at the dam really represent? Is any of this collection of celestial symbolism found there connected to your luciferian/alien/equinox/transformation agenda?

HH: That is actually very simple. You'll note that the feet point directly downward to the earth, and the hands and wingtips point directly up to the sky. The Life-Force Energy flows into the human mind/body/soul complex from the earth up through the feet. The Intelligent Energy from the Infinite Creator flows down from above and in through the crown chakra. The wings represent our (Lucifer's) inherent Divinity. You'll also note that the figure is seated. "The seat of our (Lucifer's) Power connects Heaven and Earth, and all things must pass through us".

ATS: Other questions I have, and sorry if you explained this. Are these bloodlines the wealthy, as most assume, or seemingly ordinary people (including celebrities and politicians, etc), blending in with society, going relatively unnoticed, but yet contributing to your cause in the grander scheme of things?

HH: The names you know, have no real power. Sure, they "appear" to have lots of power, in the way earthbound souls perceive power. Our wealth makes the million and billionaire "celebs" and corporate bigwigs look like a child's pocket money. Our wealth is Family wealth, which has passed down through the generations over thousands of years. True wealth however, is knowing deep in your heart, that you and your Infinite Creator, are One. "Seek ye first the Kingdom of 'God' (Infinite Creator), and all these things shall be added unto you".

ATS: So part of this question could also be, are all of them aware they are part of this bloodline, or are some members oblivious to this connection they have? Are they informed of this at a particular age? For example, how and at what age were you told you belonged?

HH: Yes. If you are Bloodline (Family), you are born into it, and you are raised this way, from birth. There is no other way. I want to be clear on this Bloodline issue. The ones you know, they are of earthly lineage. Yes, they have their place in the Family, but the Real Power lines, do not originate from this planet.

ATS: I have probably found this the single most insightful thing so far. It helps me to understand the answers to some of the questions I've asked.

HH: I am glad. It is the probably the singlemost important thing that I have shared.

ATS: Unfortunately, its connotations also alleviate the 'NWO' [def] of most accusations.

HH: That depends upon your perspective. Does it alleviate the Negativity we have perpetuated? No. Does it alleviate the pain and suffering we have caused, and are causing upon the planet? No.

Does it alleviate that we are closing our End Game scenario, and soon to openly come out and offer publically to "save" the failing political and financial institutions with our esteemed Leadership? No.

Does that mean that you should give into and feed the Negativity? No.

Does it alleviate that we will have to spend a Cycle in Karmic restitution, to balance this lifetime of overt Negativity? No.

Does it mean that you should use the Negativity as the tool that it is, to show you that which you are not? Yes.

Remember, always, that this is a beautiful Game that we are playing here and co-creating together, with our Infinite Creator. And that "off stage" (between lives) we are the very best of friends, and that no one really "dies" and no one really "suffers", except in the Game. The Game is not Reality. Reality is Reality, and you have the Power to Express your Reality within the Game, once you have learnt how to do so.

ATS: You are essentially saying that a soul can only choose positivity in a world where negativity also exists. If there were no protagonist in this world, there'd be no opportunity for a human soul to choose 'good' or 'evil' and thus prove on a spiritual level that they deserve one afterlife fate over another. If we only had positivity to choose from, we'd learn nothing and our souls would manage to prove nothing.

HH: Exactly.

That is the reason why we came. It was a great Sacrifice for us. Hard as it is to comprehend from within the mental confines of 3rd Density life experience, we do it, because we Love you.

ATS: An extremely basic concept but one I'd so far managed to overlook. Unfortunately, for those of us who love our Earthly existence (or rather, the potential it has), it's rather difficult to come to terms with a concept whereby suffering and slavery are as natural as love and happiness and that only after this Earthly existence can we ever be free.

HH: I understand. Our job is to provide the Catalyst. Your's is to use it. Can you look beyond what your eyes are showing you, to find and express Love and Happiness in a world of Fear and Distress? If you can, you will be as a Beacon of Light into the Darkness. Will you succumb to the Darkness, or will you stand and shine your Divine Inner Light? Only you can make that decision for yourself.

Think about this:

If the One Infinite Creator, is Infinite, and has created everything that Is (which It is, and It has), then does the Infinite Creator not reside within all things?

When you can see the Divine spark of the Infinite Creator, even within those who would mean you harm, the strong grip of the illusion will begin to lose it's power over you.

"Love your 'enemies', and pray for those who persecute you".

ATS: Thank you Hidden_Hand. Whether you're genuine or not, you've certainly got me thinking and learning.

HH: You are very welcome. I am genuine, but, would it matter even if I were not? Remember, it is not who the messenger is that is of the greatest import, but rather, it is the nature of the Message itself. I wish you well on your journey Home. We will see you on the other side, and we'll all have a good old laugh about the parts we have played in this grand drama.

ATS: Is there any way to cancel this restriction? Because i could be just very lazy or under this kind of spell and want to know wich one it is. Does sleep paralysis have anything to do with it because i get that from time to time with or without shadow figures.

HH: There is. Research and employ Psychic Shielding techniques. There is much information on the internet, so I need not spend the little time we have left going into that. Read many sites, and listen to your Inner Voice. Your Soul will guide you if you ask it. It speaks in the language of Feelings. When it "just feels right", usually, it is.

No, sleep paralysis is unrelated. That occurs when your brain "awakes" from the dream state before your body. Whilst going through REM deep sleep, it is natural for your body to become paralyzed during the REM cycle, so as to prevent possible injury whilst dreaming. Sometimes when you awake too quickly from a dream, your body just thinks you are still dreaming, and thus the REM paralysis continues for a while, usually until you "shake" yourself awake, often due to the difficulty to breathe.

ATS: And another question. Is it possible that our essence can be destroyed in the coming times or is that just another scare-tactic?

HH: No. Your essence can never be destroyed. You are a unique part of the One Infinite Creator. You are an Eternal Soul, currently residing in a physical shell that you could call an "earth-suit". Your earth-suit will perish, but YOU cannot die. Nothing can destroy the Infinite Creator, and you and the Infinite Creator, are One.

ATS: I go to work to pay my bills, I live a good life with friends, loved ones, people I care about. I am essentially a good person but I do have the full range of emotions as a 'real' human, ie, jealousy, hate etc. I guess I would describe myself as 'luke-warm' to use your phrase.

How can I as an individual take what you say as the 'truth'?

HH: No one is asking you to. Never take what another says to you as "Truth". Your purpose here, is to find your own Truth. Sometimes, others can help you to do so by offering guidance, but for their Truth to become your Truth, it must pass through the test of your discernment. Sit quietly in meditation, and ask the Infinite Creator to guide your path. Meditate upon that which I have shared, and listen to your inner feelings. They are the language of your Soul.

Use all your Negative emotions as they arise, as the tools that they truly are. Train yourself to notice when Negativity arises in you. When you catch yourself projecting a Negative thought, remember that all thought is creative, and ask yourself if that is really what you want to create?

It takes a while to become proficient, but do not give up. Just keep noticing your Negative thought patterns as they arise, and in so doing, simply choose again, and select a response that is more Positive. It is called 'working on yourself', and is the main reason you have chosen to be here right now. To work upon yourself. I wish you well in your transformation process.

ATS: I also read through the above link from one calling themselves 'The Insider', although his / her posts were less sophisticated than yours. Was he your predecessor? One of your ilk charged with this 'disclosure'?

HH: A good question. I have just read through that material. It was very interesting. No, not a 'predecessor of mine', and not a disclosure I was previously aware of, which had it come from my Family, would be highly strange. Though, I note that he himself stated that he is "from a minority", and certain clues within his writing gives me a very good idea which one.

I would say his material is around 60% accurate. The feelings I get from reading him, are not that he intentionally included inaccurate information, but that he was just not in possession of the "bigger picture". Were he to be from the "minority" group I believe him to be from, that would make perfect sense.

ATS: So when the Harvest comes, my time here is over and this conscious shell I live in is no more, what then? What happens to me? What happens to my friends and loved ones? Are we, and by we, I mean the vast vast majority of us who possess this planet, this dimension, this density, by and large going to be ignorant of the events you foretell?

HH: This is a good question. I like questions that come from the heart.

It depends upon the circumstances surrounds your final moments of this particular Lifetime. For example, let us say that the physical aspect of you was to do the thing called "die" during the coming earth changes, you will immediately return to that wondrous realm in which we reside in between incarnations, that which we call time/space or 'anti-matter'. This is the place that humans refer to as "Heaven". There you shall meet with all those you love who have also "died" during this life experience, and enjoy a wonderful and emotional reunion. You will meet up with your Soul Group, and your Spiritual Teachers. We all store a portion of our Soul Energy on 'the other side' when we come here. Depending upon the difficulty level of the life-experience we've chosen, we take more or less of our Energy with us. For an average "Lifetime", we typically bring between 60-80% of our Soul Energy into incarnation with us. Therefore, even if ones you love who are already back in the world of Spirit have incarnated again on another adventure, there will still be a part of their Energy there to meet with you, and welcome you Home. You will then evaluate your life-experience with your Teachers, and learn the lessons of your successes and your mistakes. You will then spend time in learning and resting, before begining to plan your next incarnation.

For those who do not physically "die" before the Great Harvest arrives, there will be a moment of "zero-point time", where you will enjoy an ecstatic merging with the Infinite Creator, giving you a wonderful reminder and reassurance of who and what you really are, before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you, and you will be transported to the place that awaits you, depending upon whether you join us in 4th Density Negative (unlikely), Graduate to 4th Density Positive (possible), or go to another similar 3rd Density planet (for the "luke-warms") to continue in your learning for however many Cycles it takes you to Graduate to 4th Density Positive. Those in this category will not remember anything at the time of your transition, it will be just like nothing has changed, except you will retain the memory of your "zero-point" experience to encourage you. You will not remember the recent experiences of the Harvest in this life here. It just be as though you all had some mystical experience, and life will continue as 'normal' for you.

ATS: I find you difficult to believe and yet you respond and inform in a very sophisticated manner, it is quite intriguing.....

HH: That is good. I do not want for you to blindly believe me. Too many on this planet spend their entire lifetime doing and thinking things because others say that they are true.

What I want, is that my words become a Catalyst for you. That is what we came here to do. If my words cause you, even if for just a short time, to stop for a moment, and evaluate that which you 'think' you already know about the nature of Life, and take for granted as being true (because "everyone else believes it"), then my time will have been well spent. My desire is that you become an Authentic Human Being, thinking, and feeling, and deciding for yourself what "feels" like Truth for you. I wish you well in your endeavors.

ATS: You can't provide 1 shred of proof that this isn't a hoax even though it would be incredibly easy to do so, were you who you claim you were.

HH: Won't. Not can't. Big difference.

This is not intended to be an object lesson prophesy fulfillment.

If you think I thought that I would be blindly believed, or even wanted for that to happen, you are very much mistaken. I would be disappointed if that were to be the case, for you will have learned nothing from my time here. (Not you personally, I mean 'you' as in people in general).

My task here, as has been my task incarnating here for thousands of years, is to provide a Catalyst. To make you think. (Again, not 'you' personally, I mean in general).

If I were to give you the "proof" that you are looking for, if I were to predict things and tomorrow they all happen before your very eyes, people would likely take everything I've said here as "gospel". That would be disasterous were that to occur, because you will have learned nothing for yourselves.

It's not about me. I'm just a messenger. It's all about you (again, generally speaking), and what you do in relation to the Catalyst. Question what you "think" you know about reality. Seek the Infinite Creator within you, and ask for It's guidance.

"Ask, and you will receive. Search, and you will find. Knock, and the door will be opened for you".

ATS: I am a 32nd degree Mason, although if you were really a royal bloodline person you would know that it means nothing.

HH: If you have Genuinely attained the level of "Sublime Prince of The Royal Secret" through the Scottish Rite, or that of the "Order of the Knight's Templar" through the York Rite, and have not been taught of the Truths of Creation, then I would be very interested indeed to know which area Lodge you attend, as I would very much like to speak with your current Worshipful Master.

Naturally I completely understand and respect if you do not wish to make such personal details known publicly though.

Of course. what you said in another post about there only being three degrees is true, for those attending the Blue or Craft Lodges, though as you've stated that you are 32nd degree, I'm presuming you are either Scottish Rite, or the York Rite's equivalent.

I hope to be able to be present personally in the event that you are ever invited to progress beyond the 33rd Degree. I would like to be the one tasked with introducing you to Lucifer. I expect you will likely come back and say how there is no further progression beyond 33rd. Well, if you're lucky, there will be a nice surprise in store for you, somewhere down the line. I sincerely hope that make it that far.

ATS: That your repeating debunked conspiracy theory shows your just here to hoax.

HH: That word "debunked" always brings me a hearty laugh. Some people seem to think that throwing the word "debunked" around means that it really has been. The vast majority of "debunking" has more holes in it that the "conspiracy theories" it's meant to be silencing. Just enough of a "shell" to help those who really don't want the Truth to be True, to carry on believing that it's not, so they can replace their heads back into the sand for a while longer.

Anyway, I must press on with questions from those with open minds, I leave you with my regards, keep up your good work.

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ATS: Over the course of my life I have occasionally resorted to prayer, some formal & some not with truly astounding & nearly instant physical results. I've taken these results to heart as personal evidence that some higher force or forces can respond in a meaningful manner to at least me & perhaps to anyone; Still, I don't rule out the possibility of coincidence. From your vantage point, would you please be gracious enough to shed light on this phenomena

HH: There is no such thing as coincidence. Nothing happens by chance.

Life is in a constant process of communication with us. Only mostly, people are too busy to notice.

Our Infinite Creator longs to be close to us. In truth, he is closer than most would believe, they just don't notice him. As they pass him by on the street every day, when he gives them their change at the shop, when you tuck her into bed and give her a kiss goodnight, when you squash him as he's running up your bathroom wall toward his web. When there's no-one else in the room but 'you'.

The main reason people don't have their "prayers" answered, is because they do not really believe that they will. Don't have "faith" in our Infinite Creator, have Trust in him. The most Powerful form of "prayer", is Thanksgiving. "For even before you ask, I have already given it unto you". Thanksgiving, is knowing that our Infinite Creator has provided for you as he promised, and being thankful for that, even before you see the results. The more we trust in our Creator, the more results we get.

Life gives us what we expect we'll receive. (Because all thought is Creative). If we get up, and expect to have a bad day, more often than not, that's exactly what we'll get.

But remember, that it works both ways.

ATS: And this one would be the hoaxer's sock puppet (new name, all posts in this thread, acting as the coach for the OP), created to give him/her the aura of credibility.

HH: Oh dear. You really are desperately clutching at straws. Any Admin can have the power to see if I'm using multiple accounts. I would be more than happy for an Admin to say if I am. Because I am not. Two accounts will show for me. "Hidden-Hand", my first one that I never got the confirmation email for, and this one, "Hidden_Hand", the one I did get the confirmation for.

My Infinite Creator gives me the only "credibility" that I need, or that I want, for that matter.

ATS: Hidden_Hand, I've enjoyed reading your posts if for nothing then the unusual ( for ATS "whistleblowers" anyway ) fact that it isn't bullet holed with bad writing, grammer and typos. May I respectfully recomend that you choose another venue next time? ( I like ProjectCamelot myself ). In anycase I'm still reading with an open mind but sceptical mind.

HH: Thank you. We are aware of Project Camelot. They are doing some remarkable work. Though I was not aware they also have a forum, if that's what you are suggesting? Not really my area usually, dealing with the internet. In fact I rarely have time to even venture onto it. I have quite enjoyed this time of relating to others over "cyber-space".

Well, if you're game for an "assignment", or maybe someone else if you haven't the time, I would be happy for someone to collate this topic (minus the "interruptions") so that the message appears with just the actual flow of questions and answers, and post it there in one piece, if you so desire. As I mentioned before, I chose ATS as I was reliably informed that it is one of the forums with a higher rate of intelligence and reasoning amongst it's members. On the whole, from my experience here, I would tend to agree.

Though if you think it would be of value to Camelot, by all means you are most welcome to spread this message. The more people it can reach, the better.

ATS: I have very few dreams now a days, but I had one last night, and it urged me to pose a question to you. I find it amazing that out of all the topics the universe has to offer, it offers me this

HH: Nothing by chance sir, nothing by chance.

Dreams are a key method our Souls use to speak with us. The conscious mind is too busy and distracted most of the time, to hear what Spirit has to say. So It tends to use the subconscious instead.

ATS: Hidden_Hand, I have, for my whole life searched near and far for answers to questions.

When I read your words I am compelled from within to explore their complete meanings and truthfulness. I am forced to examine them to the fullest. And I am charged with comparing them to the truth within me.

HH: That is precisely that way it should be. Again, I would encourage you NOT to just blindly accept what I say as "the truth". It never was my intention that anyone should make such an error in judgment. That is not to say that my words are not True, but that one must weigh them up, meditate upon them, and decide for yourself in the light of your intuition and inner feelings, whether or not these words "feel" True for you.

ATS: Hidden Hand, my question I pose to you, with the greatest respect and humility, Who will you stand before when we are all called home?

HH: We shall stand as all shall, before our One Infinite Creator.

We already know that which awaits us, in our coming 4th Density Negative Polarity world.

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